Kemi just called us all stupid..again

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Badenoch is on BBC News standing in front of an armoured vehicle (she's not sitting in a tank yet, but give her time).
When told that the majority of Britons don't want to be involved in this war, she said that we would be if we understood what it meant.
She's happy to have a conversation with the PM, obviously he's too stupid too.
Only she has the intellect required to want to bomb people.

How is she wrong?

Is that worse than scum?

She's right.

Which is one reason the Tories are slipping further and further down the polls.

Also, she didn't call anyone stupid, not understanding something does not mean being necessarily stupid, it might mean you don't have the right information.

But if the cap fits...

We need to provide defensive capability to Cyprus, British bases elsewhere, and to our allies.

We have good quality intelligence we can share as we see fit.

I don't think we should get more proactively involved UNLESS there is hard evidence that Iran was developing a nuclear weapon. KB didn't call anyone stupid. It is possible to have a difference of opinion without either side being stupid.

Just remind us where Labour is in the polls?

And Starmer?

I agree with her, I dont see where she called anyone stupid?

Says the person who supported Brexit and who was willing to serve for a Prime Minister who would not even acknowledge all his own children.

The UK does not need to be involved with this. Mainly because we don't know what the main reason is.
If Iran was near to developing nukes of any kind I would think we should support it.
Too much of what I have heard is about supporting Israel and USA because Iran finances and trains Terror Groups. They need to be stopped but if Netanyahu intends reducing Tehran to rubble the way he did Gaza I oppose it Find another way.
If we have to join a war to stop Iran building bombs and stop training Houthis or Hezbollah we need a bigger military. We cannot do it now. We need 5 years to build up our forces to the standards we used to have.

She's right, though...

And with every passing day she's regaining my vote. It would be incredible to have a competent woman at the helm.

Unnecessary war that will hit world wide economies hard and all to appease Trump. Spain has the right idea. Stand up to Trump!

I was thinking exactly that when your post popped up.

OP - it's very difficult for people to engage seriously with your topic when you insist on putting words into people's mouths. Kemi didn't call anyone stupid but you're doing a good job of suggesting she should have.

I agree with Kemi

Hopefully this is not going to be Iraq 2.0. Starmer has an impossible job, keep the US happy-ish but at the same time respect international law. As we all know war has a huge human and financial cost. If you think the cost of living crisis is bad it will be 10 times worse if we go to war.

Right that the British public have no understanding of the situation? Potentially but how much are we being told thats accurate or is it the usual pat on the head, there there people let US make the decisions you just suit up and get killed for them ok? because im sort of on the eff you government go fight for yourself kinda side here after all these years of things being done "for my own good" costing me my livelihood any chance of my children thriving we are cold and tired and now you want to bang the drum for war? ...no

So we're just thinking about ourselves here, are we? It doens't sound as though you want to hear anymore at all.

She certainly did herself no favours in her interview on BBC Breakfast earlier today.

And she seemed unable acknowledge that Tory cuts to defense spending haven't helped the current situation.

She did, however, blame all the Tory defectors to Reform, whom NF is welcome to, apparently.

Strong woman.

Well, I don't agree with her but she isn't wrong that the general public probably have a very limited understanding of the issues. As they do with most things tbh.

I haven't yet seen any strong, credible arguments in favour of the UK adopting anything more than a defensive position. All I've really heard so far in favour of offensive action is a) we should help the US because they're our ally and b) Iraq is a threat because it might be developing nuclear weapons. Which all sounds a bit like the dodgy dossier reasons for going into Iraq back in the day. So for those who support Kemi's view, what is the actual argument in favour of Britain participating in offensive action?

I'm genuinely interested in hearing responses, but ideally something a bit more sophisticated than "we don't like the Iranian regime because they're nasty" - they are undoubtedly nasty, but I think we need a bit more than that to go to war.

I'd be amazed if anyone who lived through Iraq would agree with her.

Badenoch is being absolutely vile in using this situation for political manipulation.

She's perfectly capable of articulating a reasoned argument in the House of Commons, but I've not seen anything of the sort - just mad point-scoring.

This war isn’t really about Iran, or Israel, or anyone but China and their increasing creep towards Europe and the US. Just as Venezuela was.
Iran, friendless amongst most of the world, were allowing themselves to benefit from Chinese tech in return to selling oil almost exclusively to China, and allowing themselves a base alongside the oil terminal.
Try reading informed press.

She's on a sticky wicket with regard to defence spending, really, given the Tories' record in office. Yes, the current government has been slow to respond, but the Tories had 14 years before them to address this issue, and they can't claim that they weren't aware of the need for greater investment as Ben Wallace never stopped banging on about it.

Just remind us where public opinion is on the war.

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54243-uk-public-opinion-on-the-us-iran-conflict

I'd see that more as a criticism of the quality of news programmes & political education, which I would agree with. I don't think the majority of people have a good understanding of Middle Eastern politics.