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Gorton and Denton, what have you done?

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Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 08:53

You have elected as an MP to stand in the UK&NI parliament a person who said in a panel interview with Annabel Tiffin from BBC Northwest Tonight that the Manchester Arena bombing was caused by people sewing division by questioning immigration.

That statement is so outrageous I don't even know where to start.

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saveforthat · 28/02/2026 11:45

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:40

Rather than posting a link (which I can’t access) but by a clearly biased source, how about you post what he actually said?

You can certainly argue he shouldn’t have said this. You can debate whether he should have mentioned the injured policewoman. You can even wonder what he was thinking. You absolutely cannot say he congratulated the acquitted.

As a side note, find it quite funny how the police are absolutely heroic when they are injured in left wing causes, but are entirely horrible when they police right wing protests, or bring charges for hate speech etc.

He also retweeted a post claiming that the police woman wasn't injured and it was all a lie.

EasternStandard · 28/02/2026 11:45

RunMeOver · 28/02/2026 11:38

Really pleased the Greens won. I don't agree with all of their policies but the fact that there is SOME electoral force emerging on the left, after Starmer did everything in his power to neuter it, is incredibly refreshing.

I would say though that the most perilous threat facing the country isn't Reform or Racism. It's idiots watching politically edited tiktok videos and thinking they're expressions of objective truth.

I agree on his attempts but lowering the voting age probably isn’t the best way to get what he’s after.

The Greens will appeal more than Labour to that age group.

placemats · 28/02/2026 11:45

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 10:31

Thank you for your straightforward reply. I understand your point completely.

I'm also wondering who the hell I can actually vote for!

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Would you have started this thread with the same sentiment in your opening post if Reform had won?

EasternStandard · 28/02/2026 11:46

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:45

@TheNuthatch , I have a high opinion of KB. I don't agree with her politics but she seems genuine, articulate and intelligent.
If I were a young girl now I'd be seeing her as a role model in the same way that I looked at Diane Abbott as a role model when I was young.

Despite your username I agree.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:49

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:43

Turn it into what, exactly? OP raised a (valid) concern about the Greens trans inclusive policy meaning TIM would access women's changing rooms. I merely pointed out that Reform want to dispense with the EA, which would mean there were no sex based protections for women at all. Also a valid concern. If you're tired of concerns about women's rights, don't engage. I'm not going to stop mentioning them because some random doesn't like it.

Because this is a thread about greens being elected and not specifically about that. Before you know it, the thread has gone off at a tangent and you've got 4,000 posts about that. Go and start another. It's boring it gets hijacked all the time by ppl just wanting to go on about that. Every bloody time. I think we all know plenty about it by now thank you very much..

whereisitnow · 28/02/2026 11:49

Oh do shut up.

dottiehens · 28/02/2026 11:50

80smonster · 28/02/2026 09:47

Anything to keep the Reform thickos at bay.

OMG 😦

AStonedRose · 28/02/2026 11:51

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:43

Turn it into what, exactly? OP raised a (valid) concern about the Greens trans inclusive policy meaning TIM would access women's changing rooms. I merely pointed out that Reform want to dispense with the EA, which would mean there were no sex based protections for women at all. Also a valid concern. If you're tired of concerns about women's rights, don't engage. I'm not going to stop mentioning them because some random doesn't like it.

Fgs. You asked for a dedicated board for this claptrap, and you still try to shoehorn it into everything.

For the record, I don't think men can change sex, and they shouldn't be in woman's prison. It's not the only issue affecting the word at the moment.

TheNuthatch · 28/02/2026 11:51

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:45

@TheNuthatch , I have a high opinion of KB. I don't agree with her politics but she seems genuine, articulate and intelligent.
If I were a young girl now I'd be seeing her as a role model in the same way that I looked at Diane Abbott as a role model when I was young.

OK, you sound sincere, and I accept it as a genuine mistake on your part.
You might want to change the capital 'E' if you don't want to appear that way.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:53

Om83 · 28/02/2026 10:53

My feeling about the greens policies are that most of them are good, as in they come from a place of ethics and morality, a focus on the environment and the people, a focus on moving closer to Europe, offer a welcome change. I don’t agree with everything- I don’t want self identification of men saying they are women, but this is one issue and as we know policies do get u turned or adapted in a way to best suit the feeling of the country.

I haven’t read anything about ‘open borders’ but do agree with them that we need a better way to handle migration than what is happening now- I have no problem at all with skilled ‘outsiders’ living in this country and working here and contributing to our economy, and the systems in place to support that properly.

I also like how they would stop the first past the post voting system we have and make sure the NHS and education improves.

I don’t see how greens are crazy for actually being decent human beings and wanting to put people’s needs and the environment first???

Agreed. Sensible policies ( mostly) for decent people.

Happyjoe · 28/02/2026 11:53

Still, rather Greens than the hateful party that is Reform.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:54

Happyjoe · 28/02/2026 11:53

Still, rather Greens than the hateful party that is Reform.

Indeed.

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:55

@EasternStandard , the username was admittedly meant to be memorable.

I'm actually proud to see a woman who is intelligent and articulate leading a major party, proud to see that it's someone fom a STEM background not some cardboard cut-out public school-educated career politician who thinks he'd like to have a go at it because he might be rather good at being PM.

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:57

80smonster · 28/02/2026 09:47

Anything to keep the Reform thickos at bay.

That really is the pot calling the kettle black. Get rid of immigrants and all our problems will be solved or get the Billionaires to pay for everything and all our problems will be solved. Simple lies for simple people.

AStonedRose · 28/02/2026 11:59

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:53

Agreed. Sensible policies ( mostly) for decent people.

I think they're good guys coming from the right place morally.

I do think they are offering over-simplistic solutions to complex problems. I think a lot of their policies could be economically unworkable, either per se, or because the markets would reject them.

I don't think this is a problem as long as they remain a party of protest, pulling the discourse back to a more civilised and decent place. I would feel uneasy if it looked like they were anywhere near forming a government.

They're still much better than Reform, however, who are clueless racist idiots funded by Russia.

SisterTeatime · 28/02/2026 12:00

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:57

That really is the pot calling the kettle black. Get rid of immigrants and all our problems will be solved or get the Billionaires to pay for everything and all our problems will be solved. Simple lies for simple people.

yes, pie in the sky everywhere you look!

AStonedRose · 28/02/2026 12:00

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:57

That really is the pot calling the kettle black. Get rid of immigrants and all our problems will be solved or get the Billionaires to pay for everything and all our problems will be solved. Simple lies for simple people.

I agree with this to a point, but can you not see how one of those might be much, much worse than the other?

mommatoone · 28/02/2026 12:01

ApplebyArrows · 28/02/2026 10:52

I would gladly stop most immigration overnight but:

There was a lot of low-level anti-Muslim sentiment in schools in the 00s. Jokes about all Muslims being terrorists etc., spurred on by "edgy" sectors of the media. I'm hardly surprised that some Muslims growing up in that environment turned to extremism.

If we are to have immigrants we should be integrating them. Whereas a lot of what happened after 9/11, the rhetoric around the wars in the Middle- East, policies around domestic terrorism, was very successful in making Muslims feel marginalised.

You mention intergration - I totally agree with you. But this is part of the problem, SOME immigrants don't want to integrate. As a result, this leads to division within certain communities who choose to follow their own culture / beliefs and not engage with others outside of this.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 12:01

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:22

All parties want better education, better living standards, better environment, better nhs etc. why wouldn't they? It would be wonderful for everyone and keep them in power for ages. The problem is that those things cost a huge amount of money and someone has to pay for them. Apparently that is the Billionaires. If the Greens got in, the number of Billionaires in the UK would go from very few to none. Even if some billionaires stayed it wouldn't makea dent. Which means the Greens are lying or very bad at maths.

The reality of having the Greens in power is that the country would get poorer and everyone's standard of living would get worse, except for the Billionaires who would have moved to another country.

Good. Billionaires go..I'll buy them a ticket and give them a map. We dont need ppl who dont give a stuff about us. Let's have a nation of small businesses and well run nationalised businesses where profit goes back into the business for investment and infrastructure and not just into shareholders pockets. Look at thexl water comoanies rsil travel, tech stuff.......profit for them, no care for us. .We dont want big private business that just sucks us dry and gives nothing back. Sod off.

Mumof2heroes · 28/02/2026 12:01

BrendaThePoodle · 28/02/2026 10:02

I think if you consider the absolute hatred Muslims get just for being Muslim, the verbal, physical and online abuse they receive simply for daring to exist then we should honestly be concerned about young people being radicalised. I think back to the lovely young Muslim boy in my school who was verbally abused/punched/spat on and bullied so horrifically that Im not sure that (unlike him) I’d have become a functional and useful member of society. I think I’d have in some way been very easily manipulated into believing that the people who bullied me deserved retaliation. If we don’t treat people with dignity because of their beliefs or let’s be honest, skin colour, then we are going to suffer the consequences of easily radicalised people seeking revenge.
If we treat people respectfully and not with hatred because they’re not white, then we have less risk of kids being manipulated into radicalisation.
I can’t believe this is a controversial take, if you make life shit for people who simply want to exist, if they’re bullied and shunned from society for being different, then it ends badly.

A young butcher from a halal butcher on tiktok is doing the absolute most to prove how well his family have integrated into society. They are kind, charitable, celebrate Christmas, couldn’t do more to be decent society members. The abuse he gets from plebends that haven’t ever given anything to society but dealt weed to teenagers is shocking.

Maybe Britain needs more love and acceptance and less division to combat the current shit show.
I’ve voted green on and off since I turned 18, loved Caroline Lucas and I love Zach. Let’s be real, most people are politically homeless.

We have been dragged into wars/CoL/NHS failure. Why not try a different approach? I’d rather be taxed highly and have services I can use. I’d rather housing wasn’t a fucking luxury. Food and heat weren’t. Im sorry if your taxes are going to rise, but ultimately, like is said of the working classes also, you’ve had it too good for to long.

100% 🙏🙌👏

5128gap · 28/02/2026 12:02

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:49

Because this is a thread about greens being elected and not specifically about that. Before you know it, the thread has gone off at a tangent and you've got 4,000 posts about that. Go and start another. It's boring it gets hijacked all the time by ppl just wanting to go on about that. Every bloody time. I think we all know plenty about it by now thank you very much..

Then you need to have a word with the OP who raised the issue in the first place. Can she be accused of hijacking her own thread?
This is a forum where most posters are women. It's not unreasonable that we may see the attitudes of various parties towards our rights as an important factor in deciding whether we are pleased or worried about their electoral success.
I referenced the intent of Reform towards the EA. Which I think is very important. Yes, I spoke about the impact on wonen, but given everyone of us has a PC, dispensing with it would impact us all. To me that's a very strong reason for me to be pleased this election showed the limits of their public support, and entirely relevent to the thread.

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 12:02

Yes. I already posted that. You haven’t addressed the rest of what I said.

BeAmberZebra · 28/02/2026 12:02

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:02

Did you read that in the Daily Mail?

Various sources including Zack/David confirmed this did happen.

pizzaHeart · 28/02/2026 12:03

TheNuthatch · 28/02/2026 10:10

Burnham is very popular in GM, and he is seen as separate to the government. He is already beaten Hannah Spencer in a mayoral election, she came fifth. Burnham was expected to win before he was blocked.
What is best for the country should come before what's best for Starmer., but we now know what his priorities are.

I don’t dispute that he is very popular, I think “expected to win” is not yet a guarantee. And even so there would be a question of mayoral election in the near future.
A lot happened between the moment he was refused and the day of by-election itself. And as we all know - there’s nowt so queer as folk.