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Gorton and Denton, what have you done?

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Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 08:53

You have elected as an MP to stand in the UK&NI parliament a person who said in a panel interview with Annabel Tiffin from BBC Northwest Tonight that the Manchester Arena bombing was caused by people sewing division by questioning immigration.

That statement is so outrageous I don't even know where to start.

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soddingspiderseason · 28/02/2026 11:25

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 11:13

I'll bet you are.

It was an utterly crass remark, which she handed to the right on a plate.

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Yes, one vey ill judged remark. The quote I was responding to was that the Muslim community of Manchester were utterly horrified by the bombing, and Manchester as a city came together as one community to reject the kind of hate and division that the right tried to peddle at that time. Manchester rejected the right again on Thursday. And yet here you are, peddling that same division.

holdtheline11 · 28/02/2026 11:25

Oh what are you on about. It's a great result!

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:25

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 28/02/2026 10:28

I absolutely don't want men in women's changing rooms.

But I want a Reform government even less.

I think a Green government would be incredibly damaging. A Reform government would be catastrophic.

Agree.

Allisnotlost1 · 28/02/2026 11:27

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 10:56

I watched the actual thing and I saw it in a TikTok snippet in my news feed again this morning. I don't have a TikTok login but you might be able to find it in A BBC Northwest Tonight feed.

Marr Goodwin asks Hannah Spencer what she think caused the Manchester Arena Bombing and she replies, as verbatim as I can remember "because people like you are dividing people".

I'm glad she explained, because I was pretty sure that Tony Blair helping the US bomb the shit out of Iraq after fabricating evidence of WMD had a fair bit more impact.

The arena bombing also predates all the divisive rhetoric other than the Brexit campaign.

Who wants an MP in Parliament who thinks blowing up people at a pop concert can be blamed on anyone but the people who made and placed the bombs?

You should watch again and/or seek out varied sources. That’s not what was said. https://x.com/leeharris/status/2024109242651729946/mediaviewer

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:28

saveforthat · 28/02/2026 11:13

Not sure if it was in the DM but it was absolutely true. Look it up. More recently ZP congratulated the lowlifes that got away with aggravated burglary and broke a policewoman spine. I don't know how anyone could vote for this party with such a leader.

Again, this is a (I assume deliberate) attempt to re-frame, by misreporting what actually happened. He did not congratulate them. Not even close.

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 11:29

soddingspiderseason · 28/02/2026 11:25

Yes, one vey ill judged remark. The quote I was responding to was that the Muslim community of Manchester were utterly horrified by the bombing, and Manchester as a city came together as one community to reject the kind of hate and division that the right tried to peddle at that time. Manchester rejected the right again on Thursday. And yet here you are, peddling that same division.

In what way am I peddling division? Have you made one huge and incidentally incorrect assumption that I wanted Reform to win?

I think Reform are a busted flush in terms of forming a government since they took in the Tory waifs and strays.

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Allisnotlost1 · 28/02/2026 11:30

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 11:01

How many people, I wonder, know that Zack Polanski used to make his living as David Paulden selling hypnotherapy to women as a way to increase their breast size?

Also untrue. He was a hypnotherapist, the ‘breast enlarging’ was done one time at the request of the client, who it turned out was a journalist.

Im starting to wonder if you’re part of the propaganda. Last few times I’ve seen you on threads you’ve been pro-immigration. Trojan horse?

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 11:31

Allisnotlost1 · 28/02/2026 11:27

You should watch again and/or seek out varied sources. That’s not what was said. https://x.com/leeharris/status/2024109242651729946/mediaviewer

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Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:32

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BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:32

Bromptotoo · 28/02/2026 11:24

Is there a source for this with exact words used and context?

The whole debate is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98q4e59rj9o

The part of the discussion this relates to starts at 33:25.

Five candidates for the Gorton and Denton By-election in the North West Tonight studio with its BBC election backdrop and the Houses of Parliament.
From left: Charlotte Cadden (Conservative) has short blonde hair, black glasses, a white top and bright...

Gorton and Denton by-election debate as candidates go head-to-head

Gorton and Denton by-election candidates from five parties go head to head in a BBC debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98q4e59rj9o

PandoraSocks · 28/02/2026 11:32

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 11:31

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I can still see it.

saveforthat · 28/02/2026 11:34

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:28

Again, this is a (I assume deliberate) attempt to re-frame, by misreporting what actually happened. He did not congratulate them. Not even close.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/police-federation-rebukes-polanski-over-silence-on-sledgehammer-attack-at-elbit-protest/

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:34

Allisnotlost1 · 28/02/2026 11:30

Also untrue. He was a hypnotherapist, the ‘breast enlarging’ was done one time at the request of the client, who it turned out was a journalist.

Im starting to wonder if you’re part of the propaganda. Last few times I’ve seen you on threads you’ve been pro-immigration. Trojan horse?

Oh no. Not that old crap again. Change the record..

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:34

saveforthat · 28/02/2026 11:13

Not sure if it was in the DM but it was absolutely true. Look it up. More recently ZP congratulated the lowlifes that got away with aggravated burglary and broke a policewoman spine. I don't know how anyone could vote for this party with such a leader.

I don't know much about him but the 'snake oil salesman' comparison rings true.
I wouldn't vote for his party any more than I'd vote for Farage's Far Right one.

I'm not comfortable with the way someone is seen as a good leader when they don't appear to me that they are good people.

People who are decent an intelligent are being criticised but the populist leaders seem to be revered.

TheNuthatch · 28/02/2026 11:35

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:18

It is. It's just a coincidence that the surname subdivides into two words that have an unfortunate connotation, @TheNuthatch .

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An unfortunate racist connotation. Not deliberate at all, I see.

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:36

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 09:49

Men in women's changing rooms?

Men anywhere they please, because no EA means no sex based rights?

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:37

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:36

Men anywhere they please, because no EA means no sex based rights?

Oh dont turn it all into this again. Give it a rest.

RunMeOver · 28/02/2026 11:38

Really pleased the Greens won. I don't agree with all of their policies but the fact that there is SOME electoral force emerging on the left, after Starmer did everything in his power to neuter it, is incredibly refreshing.

I would say though that the most perilous threat facing the country isn't Reform or Racism. It's idiots watching politically edited tiktok videos and thinking they're expressions of objective truth.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:38

RunMeOver · 28/02/2026 11:38

Really pleased the Greens won. I don't agree with all of their policies but the fact that there is SOME electoral force emerging on the left, after Starmer did everything in his power to neuter it, is incredibly refreshing.

I would say though that the most perilous threat facing the country isn't Reform or Racism. It's idiots watching politically edited tiktok videos and thinking they're expressions of objective truth.

Agreed.

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:40

Rather than posting a link (which I can’t access) but by a clearly biased source, how about you post what he actually said?

You can certainly argue he shouldn’t have said this. You can debate whether he should have mentioned the injured policewoman. You can even wonder what he was thinking. You absolutely cannot say he congratulated the acquitted.

As a side note, find it quite funny how the police are absolutely heroic when they are injured in left wing causes, but are entirely horrible when they police right wing protests, or bring charges for hate speech etc.

Gorton and Denton, what have you done?
BurntBroccoli · 28/02/2026 11:42

On the contrary - the Green Party policies would improve the lives of working people starting with higher pay and much stronger working rights. Minimum wage would be raised to £15 an hour for all ages, zero-hours contracts would end and workers would be given full employment rights including sick pay and holiday pay, from day one.

The Greens also back getting rid of anti-union laws and introducing a four-day working week without loss of pay which would improve work-life balance and reduce stress for many. Productivity actually increases and there is I independent research in this area proving this.

https://theabp.org.uk/what-the-evidence-tells-us-about-the-four-day-working-week/

They also propose increasing Universal Credit and other benefits, scrapping the two-child benefit cap and bedroom tax, and moving toward a Universal Basic Income in the longer term. These measures would provide a stronger safety net, reduce poverty, and give workers more financial security during periods of unemployment, illness or retraining.

For housing and energy costs, the Greens support large-scale investment in social housing and would give councils stronger rent controls to make housing more affordable. It also proposes a nationwide home insulation and solar installation programme to cut energy bills, which would particularly benefit low (and also middle-income households) while also reducing carbon emissions.

They want major public investment into renewable energy, public transport and green infrastructure to create secure, skilled, long term jobs across the country. Plus expanded training and education funding so workers can access new opportunities created by the transition to a low-carbon economy.

To fund these policies, the Greens propose wealth tax reforms and aligning capital gains tax with income tax rates. They also would like to see the development of a Land Value Tax which would be a fairer system than the current Council Tax where someone in Yorkshire is paying more for a 2 bedroomed terrace than a mansion in London.

Their overall goal is to reduce inequality while improving wages, job security, public services and living standards for working people across the UK.

What the Evidence Tells Us About The Four-Day Working Week

What the Evidence Tells Us About The Four-Day Working Week - The Association for Business Psychology

The Association for Business Psychology (ABP) has taken an important step in aligning its internal practices with its mission: from December this year, our

https://theabp.org.uk/what-the-evidence-tells-us-about-the-four-day-working-week/

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:43

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:37

Oh dont turn it all into this again. Give it a rest.

Turn it into what, exactly? OP raised a (valid) concern about the Greens trans inclusive policy meaning TIM would access women's changing rooms. I merely pointed out that Reform want to dispense with the EA, which would mean there were no sex based protections for women at all. Also a valid concern. If you're tired of concerns about women's rights, don't engage. I'm not going to stop mentioning them because some random doesn't like it.

fluffiphlox · 28/02/2026 11:43

Sewing?

Psychosislotus · 28/02/2026 11:44

Velentia · 28/02/2026 10:21

The Greens have given us the best and worst examples of Thatcherism.
Zack the smart arse earning fees from women hoping to enlarge their boobs. He talked them into believing that a form of meditating was enough. He grew his own fortune by abandoning his religion, and now runs a Political Party. All on slick talk.
Hannah Spencer left school at 16 and worked, didn't go on benefits (take note Angela). Hannah qualified in a trade and and started her own plumbing business. With the profits she has built a property portfolio of a £million, how entrepreneurial. She has now qualified as a plasterer. Still working hard with her hands.
So far so good.

Yes I quite like that Hannah on first appearances. Her speech was good. But how can we say work doesn’t pay if she did it. And did it so young.

I agree with her work doesn’t - when you are working class or squeezed middle. You need to make that jump to owning and leveraging assets. But I am pretty sure that’s who the greens are eyeing up (and Labour too). So it is an interesting watch.

That zach guy is completely insane. As was the situation with green deputy who didn’t want the camo next to her house. Not for her sake no, it was inhumane apparently 😂

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:45

@TheNuthatch , I have a high opinion of KB. I don't agree with her politics but she seems genuine, articulate and intelligent.
If I were a young girl now I'd be seeing her as a role model in the same way that I looked at Diane Abbott as a role model when I was young.

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