Gorton and Denton, what have you done?

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You have elected as an MP to stand in the UK&NI parliament a person who said in a panel interview with Annabel Tiffin from BBC Northwest Tonight that the Manchester Arena bombing was caused by people sewing division by questioning immigration.

That statement is so outrageous I don't even know where to start.

It's not a pivot at all. It's a Green policy and the poster said they would accept anything to keep Reform out. I want to know if she includes all the effects of defining female identified trans men as biological women.

On top of blaming a massacre of innocents at a pop concert on people concerned about immigration.

I find this totally shocking.

Who said that having Andy Burnham as a candidate there would be a guarantee for win?
It was obvious that he wanted to become MP to get UK leadership contest. It’s not wrong to want to be a leader by the way. However it means using locals to realise his ambitions and people don’t like to be used.
And if he lost Labour would lose Gear Manchester as well, he wouldn’t be able to come back to his job. It would be enormous blow for the party.

Out of interest

Have you read their manifesto?

Do you approve of/agree with the comment made on Northwest Tonight?

A poster upthread has already explained where the great in GB comes from.
There are many countries that have rampaged through other countries "slaughtering" others and conquering, it wasn't just us scummy brits🙄

This.

I think if you consider the absolute hatred Muslims get just for being Muslim, the verbal, physical and online abuse they receive simply for daring to exist then we should honestly be concerned about young people being radicalised. I think back to the lovely young Muslim boy in my school who was verbally abused/punched/spat on and bullied so horrifically that Im not sure that (unlike him) I’d have become a functional and useful member of society. I think I’d have in some way been very easily manipulated into believing that the people who bullied me deserved retaliation. If we don’t treat people with dignity because of their beliefs or let’s be honest, skin colour, then we are going to suffer the consequences of easily radicalised people seeking revenge.
If we treat people respectfully and not with hatred because they’re not white, then we have less risk of kids being manipulated into radicalisation.
I can’t believe this is a controversial take, if you make life shit for people who simply want to exist, if they’re bullied and shunned from society for being different, then it ends badly.

A young butcher from a halal butcher on tiktok is doing the absolute most to prove how well his family have integrated into society. They are kind, charitable, celebrate Christmas, couldn’t do more to be decent society members. The abuse he gets from plebends that haven’t ever given anything to society but dealt weed to teenagers is shocking.

Maybe Britain needs more love and acceptance and less division to combat the current shit show.
I’ve voted green on and off since I turned 18, loved Caroline Lucas and I love Zach. Let’s be real, most people are politically homeless.

We have been dragged into wars/CoL/NHS failure. Why not try a different approach? I’d rather be taxed highly and have services I can use. I’d rather housing wasn’t a fucking luxury. Food and heat weren’t. Im sorry if your taxes are going to rise, but ultimately, like is said of the working classes also, you’ve had it too good for to long.

When was it great, and why would you have described it as such at that time ?

Voted against a racist candidate, what is wrong with that?

Goodwin was endorsed by Tommy Robinson.

@TheNuthatch If Andy Burnham had stood, he'd have won and Reform would get the job Andy Burnham is currently doing.

I'm not necessarily saying that what you posted isn't true but Burnham is doing well where he is. Had he stood and not won, then what?

The Tory candidate didn't have a hope.

First, second and third places. I’m happy with that. Labour losing a safe seat by that much is ok too.

The local elections will probably look different re Reform.

Burnham is very popular in GM, and he is seen as separate to the government. He is already beaten Hannah Spencer in a mayoral election, she came fifth. Burnham was expected to win before he was blocked.
What is best for the country should come before what's best for Starmer., but we now know what his priorities are.

Reform got the expected percentage of the vote, they voted against Labour

Our history isn’t great is it?

Tactical voting to keep Reform out.

Your username is awful btw.

I agree that the tories were never in the race, they barely tried as its pointless in seats like this. Same for the Lib Dems.
I don't really understand your fear of Reform winning the mayoralty, and I don't think that assumption is necessarily correct. They didn't do particularly well at the last mayoral election, Reform came fourth, Hannah Spencer fifth.

Come on, you’re being deliberately provocative but it’s a dangerous topic and I think you’re being naive. The view you quote is a tiny tiny tiny minority view and it’s not worth putting on a forum like this unless you’ve got an agenda.

Anyone but Labour would have been fine with posters here

I am just glad Reform didn't win

And the Raving Loony Party beat Advance

It's a Green Policy!

The Greens have given us the best and worst examples of Thatcherism.
Zack the smart arse earning fees from women hoping to enlarge their boobs. He talked them into believing that a form of meditating was enough. He grew his own fortune by abandoning his religion, and now runs a Political Party. All on slick talk.
Hannah Spencer left school at 16 and worked, didn't go on benefits (take note Angela). Hannah qualified in a trade and and started her own plumbing business. With the profits she has built a property portfolio of a £million, how entrepreneurial. She has now qualified as a plasterer. Still working hard with her hands.
So far so good.

She did not say that.

I am constantly amazed that people will fall for this kind of bullshit without doing the most basic of research. The clip doing the rounds today is clipped entirely to suit the narrative of the Reform supporters, used by their social media to whip up more division in the culture wars. They have discovered the Green Party are a threat to them and will use whatever they can manipulate to smear them.

Here is what was said.

Matt Goodwin: But you’ve never asked why those things are happening?
Hannah Spencer: Of course we have…
MG (interrupts, speaking over HS): Why are they happening
HS (continues her point): …of course we have, because people like you are dividing people……
MG (interrupts again): So I’m responsible for the MEN bombing?
HS: that’s not what I’ve just said.

The clip is then cut off so we don’t see what the full response to that was. It is clear she is responding to his first question, not his second one, and anyone with more than a single braincell can work can see that.

You can hate the Greens and be concerned about them getting in, that’s absolutely fine. But if your argument against them is based on on this kind of rhetoric, when Reform are using sound bite clips to frame a false narrative about them, it’s clear you aren’t actually interested in making an informed decision and have only one singular reason to support them. You should do some soul searching to decide why that is the case and what it says about you.

You are right, Restore is worse, as is Advance and Britain First.

@80smonstershe’s not no. Why get personal?