Anyone else think Starmer leaving just creates more turmoil?

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Not impressed by the communications and mishaps but honestly don’t understand how anyone (other than those who just want a general election / Reform etc) would think that his stepping down is going to help anyone?! The country doesn’t need more turmoil!!!! Ffs!

I appreciate there have been mishaps but why do they think anyone else would do better, especially in foreign policy where he has been the adult in the room. There are no clear standout candidates lining up- all are problematic. Why waste this massive majority?! A new leader would then really have to call a GE, and then they would lose possibly to Reform!

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!

The markers are no longer accepting bets on Starmer going before the end of the year. The markers know he's going to go, they're just concerned at when and who will replace him.

At the moment the smart money is on Angela Rayner taking over in March

And this is largely the issue. Normal people have lives, and don't have the time or freedom or desire to spend them in the endless meetings and obsessions that getting on the pathway to a position of power involves. It's plain from the unions; everyone normal left, the ones left control the vote and drive the batshit.

It's like they used to say about prison officers in the 50s. Wanting to do the job should be automatic grounds for exclusion.

I agree. I don't like him. But he has to be replaced. There are people.a lot worse. Obviously Farage and Badenock are on that list but also in the Labour Party. It's not clear that there's anyone with a very strong vision. Who the press won't destroy (to allow in the worse options).

This isn’t a good look for Streeting but they didn’t have a growth strategy- hence the mess they are in with various U-turns, taxing all sorts of people they shouldn’t be etc.

No government has ever taxed their way to growth. Why are they stupid enough to think it would work? The wealthy will move away because they are highly mobile. Even for just a few years. They aren’t living next door to their Mum and rely on family for childcare.

My DH and I are high earners although being self employed means there were lean years. We never claimed any benefits, lost child benefit years ago. If I was 20 years younger tbh - I would be considering moving abroad. Not forever as things change. I have two members of my close family who have done this.

One was an expat and did come back and has now got another role in their late 50’s. Kids are grown up and no elderly parents to consider. The husband earns in excess of £300k. They are now moving out of the UK. Now he won’t pay any tax in the UK. The Greens stating they will tax and tax the wealthy. Not if they move you plonkers!

They got voted in on lies with regards to the economy remember how they blamed the tories for their handling of it...since then every budget its been omg there is billion black hole. Next budget bet there is another big blackhole. You can't blame that on the Tories. We were sold on they would grow the economy they havent. The economy was starting the grow under su ak finally and now back to square one. There have been so many u turns..

All the things they moaned and complained about the tories they are now doing themselves.

Maybe you are lucky and have some sane candidates, but anyone willing to throw their deposit away to campaign on a single issue is at least fairly obsessive.

This was kind of my point - that no one independent (and I don't mean nutty single-issue campaigners) will get elected so they rarely stand. It happens sometimes but these days it is usually a former counsellor who is disaffected with their party but doesn't want to join another party. Even then they don't get elected.

Fifty years ago, it was more common to have independent counsellors in a local election winning one or two spots. These days it will never happen. If you know you will lose, why would you stand? You have no chance of penetrating the consciousness of the voters because you lack campaign money and resources.

You may read all the manifestos but you are in a minority. Most voters pitch up and vote for their party.

The UK has massive financial issues mainly because the last 20 years has been funded by getting into more debt. The debt is huge and it’s only going to get worse if we carry on spending more and more on state pensions and nhs for older people- there’s not enough young people paying taxes to pay for the expanding older population. And that’s on top of all the other problems due to aging infrastructure etc. And wherever you believe it’s man made or not, climate change is going to throw more problems at us that will cost a lot to resolve

The huge debt means the government is slave to the bond markets.

No political parties are being honest about it because the public won’t vote for more tax to help pay to resolve this issue. Reforms ideas will not touch the sides.