Anyone else think Starmer leaving just creates more turmoil?

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Not impressed by the communications and mishaps but honestly don’t understand how anyone (other than those who just want a general election / Reform etc) would think that his stepping down is going to help anyone?! The country doesn’t need more turmoil!!!! Ffs!

I appreciate there have been mishaps but why do they think anyone else would do better, especially in foreign policy where he has been the adult in the room. There are no clear standout candidates lining up- all are problematic. Why waste this massive majority?! A new leader would then really have to call a GE, and then they would lose possibly to Reform!

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!

Probably right up until the HMRC clears her, and then she’ll switch.

I quite like Rayner, it would be great to have a working class woman as PM. Burnham seemed fairly decent too. But now is not the time for this shite.

I'm pissed off at the lot of them for all the fucking infighting.

I wanted grown ups.

This just illustrates how utterly dire our system for selecting politicians and candidates in this country is -both at local level and nationally.

There are 69 million people in this country. SIXTY NINE MILLION. Think of that.

Yet we are in a situation where people are thinking the current guy (who is intelligent and has a track record of non-political achievement) is no good and there is no one else any good to replace him.

We probably all know people who would be better but they have zero chance of being selected as a candidate at all.

Think of it this way - when did you last vote for an independent candidate in a local election? Chances are the independent candidates are good people with a strong commitment to a local area who really care about where they live and are not driven by self interest or climbing a poltiical party pole. They will NEVER get elected unless they are celebrities because no one knows who they are and they don't have the financial backing of a party machine to go out and leaflet and get PR. It's absolutely tragic.

For goodness sake leave him alone. If he goes and his so called replacements attempt to do better then the pathway to disaster is clearly laid out. Anyone who thinks Reform is the answer needs to think carefully. Who strove to drive the vote for Brexit and spent his time insulting the EU Parliament? Who wants to do away with the NHS? Pay for your prescriptions, operations etc.Who wants to open the door for American business to walk in and replace the NHS? It would definitely suit Trump.
Also Farage is Trump’s “Bestie” and he has repeated several times he admires Putin. Ask the constituents of Reform held Councils what they think. The answer would be that they were lied to about how they would run things so well that council tax would be reduced. The opposite has happened. It’s so easy to promise so much when you don’t have to deliver.

I agree. And if Rayner makes a bid to become leader we’ll be a laughing stock to the rest of the world. IMO 😁

Also just look at the reaction of the financial markets when there was a wobble this afternoon. They’ve now bumped back up with speculation he’s safe for now. We do not need this instability.

A choice for us to choose from. Labour repeatedly called for general election when the tories kept swapping leaders nownthey will be hypocrites themselves

We vote these people if if the leaders goes we shiukd have a choice to decide who should lead this country.

I'm an anyone else who thinks we don't need a resignation from him at present. There's enough turmoil without adding more.

Semper in excreto sumus: sed profundum vareat. We are always in the quagmire: only the depth varies. We're deep enough for the present.

This has already been covered ad infinitum up thread.

So true! Imagine the Labour left force Starmer out due to Epstein and we end up with Farage who was actually FRIENDS with Epstein. I'm no Starmer fan but he's miles better than Nigel.

Agre with you OP, he needs to be left alone to get on with it. I do think he’s made mistakes and misjudgements but at the moment he’s the best of a bad bunch.

She's got a lovely complexion and a substantial bosom. They'd like her.

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Starmer is hopeless and not a politician however he is the best of a bad bunch.

Says it all about the Labour Party. How some posters can try and defend him is beyond me. He cannot be enjoying this. He is not cut out for politics.

I want him to get on with the job. Sniping and creating drama by backbenchers never end well

Basically a known traitor and spy. Great judgment on the part of our government.

What on earth has happened to politics? How have we got to this? A bunch of losers in charge.

That’s about right. We have a government from a party of hopeless fools. It doesn’t matter which fool comes forward to take over from Starmer. They’re all shit.

So better to stick with the shitty fool we know.

I think we've kind of got into the habit of swapping Prime Ministers every couple of weeks and have forgotten that actually it's pretty unusual to do so.

Starmer isn't great domestically and hasn't properly apologised but for international diplomacy generally he is very good and that's important right now.

I'd much rather we got rid of the bloody royal family than the PM, over Epstein.

It was always going to be a huge task turning around the shitshow ship of 14 years of Tory plundering. Labour needs more time and if he resigns, the country will almost inevitably fall to Reform and certain chaos. Starmer is the most experienced prime minister we’ve had for a long time and does have integrity.

It was always going to be a shitshow after Blair and Brown and Covid.

Hmm, I make a point of reading the manifestos of the local independent candidates because I’m a bit politically homeless and would happy vote for one if their policies appealed.

Round here at least, they are universally absolutely batshit (literally think aliens are coming to save us, or think we should move to a fundamentalist Christian theocracy subsistence farming model, or incels, or cross-burning racists, or in favour of some sort of African separatist movement). Maybe you are lucky and have some sane candidates, but anyone willing to throw their deposit away to campaign on a single issue is at least fairly obsessive.

What? We've had 14 years of Conservative mismanagement since Blair and Brown! The current shit show is down to that.

Blair and Brown.

The List

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.

10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries. 11. 85,000 more nurses. 12. 32,000 more doctors. 13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards. 14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament. 15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly. 16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time. 17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice. 18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year. 19. Restored city-wide government to London. 20. Record number of students in higher education. 21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997. 22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres. 23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission. 24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s. 25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. 26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland. 27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants. 28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday. 29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty. 30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty. 31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents. 32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships. 33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard. 34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997. 35. Banned fox hunting. 36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution. 37. Free TV licences for over-75s. 38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals. 39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70. 40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s. 41. New Deal - helped over 1.8 million people into work. 42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started. 43. Free eye test for over 60s. 44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships. 45. Free entry to national museums and galleries. 46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled. 47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000. 48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent. 49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds. 50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

The Wes Streeting / Peter Mandelson messages are extremely damning for the government.

They show ministers were lying when they were publicly praising the economy last year - both of them were secretly saying the economy is in a mess and Reeves has no plan for growth.

They were also acknowledging that they can't tell voters a reason to vote Labour that's actually true.

It's due to both lol