Anyone else think Starmer leaving just creates more turmoil?

[CambridgeCats]

Not impressed by the communications and mishaps but honestly don’t understand how anyone (other than those who just want a general election / Reform etc) would think that his stepping down is going to help anyone?! The country doesn’t need more turmoil!!!! Ffs!

I appreciate there have been mishaps but why do they think anyone else would do better, especially in foreign policy where he has been the adult in the room. There are no clear standout candidates lining up- all are problematic. Why waste this massive majority?! A new leader would then really have to call a GE, and then they would lose possibly to Reform!

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!

He was part of the prosecution against the press for the phone hacking.

makes sense now doesn’t it.

This is only partially true. There is nothing that says a new leader needs one, but they can be forced into calling an early election. We’ve seen that in the past.

It absolutely is. If you have a C- Prime Minister and the only people who could fill his shoes are D/E Prime Minister material, you stick with the C-.

I like him - he is the antithesis of the self- centred bigots who disgust me.

Modern politics just seems to be a series of pile ons, with the self interested hoping they'll rise to the top once there's a vacuum.

This.

I’m no fan of Starmer, and am disappointed in him so far, but he was between a rock and a hard place with the US.

There’s nobody credible ready to go who could replace him (except perhaps Streeting, who -probably sensibly- seems to have calculated that it’s in his own interests to bide his time), so why let him go now? Far better he carries on at this point, than we get the likes of Lammy or Rayner instead.

I’m sick of all the drama. Why is the focus on him and not Trump or Farage who hung out with Epstein?

Ita just the right wing press having a go. There was a young on GB News of all things asking if he should go. And the majority said he should stay much to the disgust of the presenters. And this is GB news

I want him to stay. They are doing some good stuff.

You’re right of course but I wish it were a rule that changes mid term of a PM apart from illness or similar Should trigger a GE. I think the same for MPs who defect to another party. It’s the height of disrespecting the electorate whether country wide or by constituency. We all know that people are influenced by who will be a pm (understatement!) and I cannot imagine having voted, say, Tory and got a Tory MP who then jumps to Reform for whom I would never vote for.

They can be forced into an early election if they no longer command the support of the House of Commons. Labour has a thumping majority which it knows it will lose if it went to the country. So if anyone is agitating for KS to go because they think it hastens the bright dawn of a Reform government (🤢) you’re barking up the wrong tree

Why all the drama focussing on the Brits and not the Americans as well?

Not saying AMW and Mandelson don’t deserve the opprobrium being heaped on them - they do, and richly - but why isn’t there a song and dance being made about Trump, Gates, Clinton etc?

Maybe there is in the US and I just haven’t seen it?

most press being to the right it’s a gift for them.
I’m on the right but I fully support him and would be very disappointed if he were replaced, especially by Rayner.

Oh yes the so called patriots 🙄

The ones funded by Russians..

Labour MPs need to get their shit together. Didn’t they learn anything from watching the Tories implode?! Ridiculous.

Mandelson is just an excuse that members of his own party can use to get rid of him. They've been circling round looking for any opportunity and now they have one. You can't blame the voters. It isn't their fault he isn't very good at his job.

I totally agree with this I think it's so easy just to bay for blood every time but then you end up with a situation like the Tories at the end with just a revolving door of prime ministers

I completely agree with the OP. Honestly, I am so frustrated that this whole situation seems to be more about generating the next headline and news story than really what is good for the governance of the country and the UK's international standing.

It is the left of his own party that want him to go. I think the right probably want him to cling on as he'll do less damage than some and will lose the next election.

Not sure what you mean here but every thread there’s a Labour poster on mn calling non Labour bots etc

That’s not reflected in polls, ratings and votes.

Only if they receive a vote of no confidence. Labours got a massive majority.

There ain’t no general election happening no matter how much people blather on about it.

How do you know he’ll lose the next election?

Quite.

Everyone I know will be voting Labour in the next GE. The alternatives are:

Tories - not after last time!
Reform - Appaling and actually quite frightening
Lib dems - nice but won't get in so no point
Greens - captured by Protrans/Propal nutters and leader thinks he can increase peoples breast size with his mind 🤣

I agree @CambridgeCats
The Labour Party seem to have gone down the ‘let’s just think emotionally and not use logic’ rabbit hole, following all the far-right characters popularism.
Starmer has no charisma but is a technocrat with strong morals. That doesn’t work well in the media.

A sensible plan looks like it’s been started:

• get rid of the unelected ‘advisors’ who have been pushing for all these popularist approaches;
• enact the anti-lobbying laws which should have been passed years ago

Then hopefully they’ll get back to proper labour values, and less ridiculous infighting from BOTH sides, for the rest of their term. Then, if this doesn’t happen, he should go. But not now.

People vote for what they are told by the media and social media and it has become painfully apparent (Brexit, Trump, Reform, Russia, Epstein) that people will be easily influenced and are being manipulated on a massive scale in both the UK and the USA. I'm not 100% sure I trust any of what I hear and see any more.

What is clear to me is that Starmer is the least self serving and most steady of any of the alternatives right now and to get rid of him would be like watching the UK in a slow car crash until we end up with Reform in charge and then living like people in the USA right now.

I actually found the whole spectacle the last few days so awful to watch that I wrote to my Labour Mp and complained about her colleagues behaviour. Andy Burnham started this and I just don’t know why any of them think getting rid of Starmer is the right thing to do.

He's an awful PM in charge of an awful and not very well hinged party. And they're not yet two years in. It is shameful, but there is no one any better to take his place, and yes, a general election at this point while probably the ethical answer, would produce a mess. Most likely a hung parliament and coalitions of various parties. On the plus side, it would probably mean they'd spend the next few years arguing amongst themselves and getting nothing done while hopefully giving time for a new and better field of politicians emerge.

But the bottom line is the grim calibre of the people getting into these positions at the top of the party. They are very far from the brightest and the best, and far too many are activists, or professional politicians who have no contact with the real world. That is the problem to address.

I want him to stay. We need some stability in our leadership. Whilst I don't agree with all the decisions Labour have made I feel like he is a professional, qualified adult who is respected on the world stage. I think he handles Trump very well, not sucking up like Reform or the Conservatives, but quietly holding his own. He doesn’t come across as hugely charismatic but I want a PM I feel confident in, not a clown.