Anyone else think Starmer leaving just creates more turmoil?

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Not impressed by the communications and mishaps but honestly don’t understand how anyone (other than those who just want a general election / Reform etc) would think that his stepping down is going to help anyone?! The country doesn’t need more turmoil!!!! Ffs!

I appreciate there have been mishaps but why do they think anyone else would do better, especially in foreign policy where he has been the adult in the room. There are no clear standout candidates lining up- all are problematic. Why waste this massive majority?! A new leader would then really have to call a GE, and then they would lose possibly to Reform!

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!

There is no one else
they all factional and self interested
that’s the issue

Totally agree! I don't know what they're playing at!
I'm so cross with Labour at the moment, I don't know what Rayner and co are doing!

Yes agree. I don’t understand the Starmer hatred anyway.

No.

I suspect a lot of it is rightwing/Russian bots. Often on facebook the people comenting saying things like 'Starmer Out' have pictures of some moronic skinhead and a name like 'Iloveourcountry!' So it's either a Russian bot or, more alarmingly, someone with an IQ the same as their footsize who has found their way online

I think voting in May will show it’s not just bots. That’s another issue incoming for Starmer.

Absolutely this. All the press and politicians commentators and in heaven with all this drama. You hear in snd read it - they love it and with most press being to the right it’s a gift for them. MPs are paid to work for their constituents and I’m sick of the wastage of this current call for the PM to go.

Agree. In any political party. I suspect Lib Dem might be best for the country but I’ve never voted for them (yet) and they don’t seem to have a chance in hell. We need sensible leaders not divisive drivel and kier Starmer is the nearest thing to sensible of any of them, despite his flaws

Seems like Rayner has just given Starmer 'her full support'. Wonder how long for? May elections are only 3 months away ...

He is neither unsuited nor unqualified. You can argue he isn’t performing well or has made mistakes, but unsuited and unqualified is incorrect.

They don’t think anyone else would do better- those more to the left are determined to just put ‘one of their own in’ - I’m sorry but I wouldn’t vote for Angela Rayner Asan example in a month of Sundays - and I vary between Labour and Lib Dem depending where I’ve lived.

Totally agree OP. I wish we could have some stability and let the government get on with their programme without constant upheaval. A new leader would be a nightmare, choosing one would dominate everything for ages, then there’d be a reshuffle which would take time to bed in. The new leader would want to make their mark by making a load of new policy changes. Turmoil and endless delays. No doubt everyone would hate the new leader before long. Rinse and repeat the same cycle.

Oh yeah now they’re all busy tweeting and the big drama is that Streeting hasn’t said anything. Again press loving it.

Maybe Starmer should just face it like John Major did all those years ago, support me or shut up.

For all his sad shortfalls and I didn’t support Labour this time because I didn’t trust them on women’s rights, I would rather have a decent pM like Starmer than some of the alternatives.

I don’t see why he needs to step down tbh

although I liked the speculation that Angela raynor was trying to replace him - can’t help but like her grit 😂

wes streeting would be the very worst thing for the nhs so not sure who else would be pm

he should carry on. He’s doing well against trump

To be honest yes. I never called for Johnson or any Tory leader to be toppled. All of that was internal Tory party politics.

I agree. People really lack the imagination to understand how much worse things can get under Reform. It's depressing.

Editing to add: his backbenchers need to stop acting like ALevel Politics students and start acting like adults while the tanker is turned. Yes it will take time, no we don't have a magical money tree to pay half the population to sit on their backsides not working because they're too 'anxious'. Yes they will be unpopular but that comes with the job.

Changing PMs like they are bloody football managers has made the UK an international laughing stock and created an environment where there is no long term decision making because everyone is so scared of being ousted they do whatever it takes to stay popular.
Starmer can never come out and say why he appointed Mandelson but anyone who can add up can put 2x2 together and realise that, strategically, it was the only option to maintain any influence in the US.
Part of being a leader is having to take the least shit decision in a vacuum of good

I can just imagine the clamour for a GE if Rayner were made leader and thus PM.

So true.

The clues are there.

General elections aren’t called when there’s a change in leader. It didn’t happen under the tories and it won’t happen under Labour. Posters who make comments like this come across as totally politically ignorant.

Agreed. Not a single person in opposition, or even in his own party has come up with a credible plan to get us out of the mess we are in. Replacing him will only serve to destabilise the government, give the right wing press more ammunition, but they won’t stop until he’s gone. The best they could hope is, he is replaced and whoever comes in throws out all the pre-election promises which have hamstrung the party in making good economic decisions. But then, Badenoch will bleat about how that leader has no mandate and push until we have another early election, further destabilising the country. Tories will not win a majority, Labour might scrape one, but it feels like we are headed for a coalition government. Not a bad thing in itself but that depends on who forms it.

It’s ok to not think he is doing a grand job, but to think that he needs to go without looking at the bigger picture is a fool’s errand.

In some ways, part of me thinks, let’s just have that reform government, it won’t take long for them to be show up for what they really are, and we just need to pray the checks and balances we thing we have against a very right wing government who perhaps would prefer the more authoritarian style of leadership will hold up to the pressure. The US have proven they don’t have those, hopefully ours will stand the test.

What qualifications should he have but doesn't, that were held by previous incumbents? I'll wait

I’ve just emailed number 10 to show my support. I know it’s meaningless but this constant torrent from the press is not helpful to Britains future.
the one person in the files who is actually an MP is getting none of this and absolutely should be.

I know, they're not even trying to hide it! It's all in plain sight!