Is it possible that Mandelson might bring Starmer down?

[CurlewKate]

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Of course anyone can see that there’s an issue. My point is (again) that main stream media reporting is very inconsistent when you look at how Starmer and eg Raynor are treated compared to Farage, Johnson etc.
I would love to see the same high level of scrutiny applied to all of them all of the time.

No really not. The media thrived on partygate and then anti last gov, followed by Farage stories now. Labour just feels attacked but it’s more an excuse than anything.

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I see the polar opposite to you regarding the press so profoundly disagree.

Therein is probably where half our country's trouble lies. No neutral publications and an algorithm skewing everything we see.

Exactly. The press had a field day with partygate and eye test drives. And the school day stories of Farage. Its just that this story is much worse and actually affects the security of the country.

Mandelson is known as The Prince of Darkness and should never have been appointed even on the basis of his behaviour before his Epstein connection. I wasn’t impressed by Starmer’s speech this morning and feel that constant comments about supporting the victims is a totally untrue attempt at a smokescreen.

How does it affect security? It potentially affected the UK financially 18 years ago with disclosures bordering on treasonous for sure but even then there was no impact on security.

His focus is his own career and saving his hide. That’s it. That was the speech today.

So the police investigation into Mandelson centers around whether he provided insider information to Epstein:

https://www.politico.eu/article/peter-mandelson-appeared-send-uk-government-plans-epstein/

On Profumo there was no state secrets passed to the Russians. Lord Denning concluded that there had been no breaches of security arising from the Ivanov connection, although clearly was a security risk that Keeler was sleeping with Profumo and Ivanov at the same time.

I am curious to understand what exactly you believe is "a lot more to this" relating to Starmer?

@Pineneedlesincarpet
‘Therein is probably where half our country's trouble lies. No neutral publications and an algorithm skewing everything we see.’
We can both agree on that. 👍🏻

You're wasted here @Papyrophile !

I agree Mandelson was a poor choice as UK Ambassador to the US regardless of the links to Epstein as he was completely associated with the Labour Party and a more neutral civil service candidate would have been better (there although less well known).

However apparently Mandelson assured Starmer that he barely knew Epstein.

A "lot more" because you are confining the issue to KS poor judgement amd saying we were being hysterical for some reason. But actually we are talking about Peter Mandelson 's behaviour too which IMO is much more serious. KS is a lame duck now and irrelevant really in the long term scheme of things.

Re Profumo, it's the scandal that he was potentially passing on state secrets to Keeler who was also sleeping with a KGB agent. Mandelson has actually passed on market sensitive information to Epstein. So the first part has already echoed a past scandal. Not exactly but it echoes. It will be interesting to see what comes out re Epstein and what he did with that information.

She is, isn’t she?

Palantir for one being given access to our defences via Peter Mandelson fixing an introduction to KS in secret.

Can we rely on Peter Mandelsons judgement and honor and loyalty to his country? No. Did he have huge influence and access to the centre of government? Yes. Can we assume that more will be uncovered? Well let's wait and see.

I don't understand. Apologies.

You might find this interesting. Inside information to Palantir goes back more than a decade.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/palantir-ministry-defence-hire-four-officials-2025-record-defence-contract-240-million/

Bows politely!

"a boring P M" who pretends not to know what a woman is, despite being married to one who gave birth to his children, who is so incompetent /irresponsible that he gives Mandelson the top plum job without even doing a Google search. Who "loves" this country so much he will fly away to the opening of an envelope anywhere but here and who seems not to be able to pay for his clothes, glasses, his wife's clothes, tickets to concerts, etc etc. "corrupt and criminally incompetent" rather than "boring"

Thanks. Very informative. Im interested in the £240million defence contract (defence contract, mind) awarded to Peter Mandelsons client after he arranged a highly unusual secret unrecorded meeting with his client and KS.

Again I don't understand. Apologies. Who is in a snit?

I suspect a disagreement or physical scrap.

What Scots would call a Stramash.

Interestingly in all this kerfuffle about what exactly Mandelson leaked to Epstein, the one person who was deeply unimpressed by the quality of the info was Epstein. There are emails from him, complaining that the relationship with PM was a one way street and he wasn't getting back anything of value. Most of what PM shared was actually quite vague or could have been guessed at anyway ( eg potential for bankers tax). He didn't even apply pressure to the govt on key issues - instead suggesting that Jamie Dimond of JPMorgan bullied Alastair Darling directly. It all smacks to be of Mandelson trying to play with the big boys but not doing a particularly good job

The trouble I face (self-inflicted I appreciate) is that I cannot be bothered to go back and check whether they think I'm the one in a "snit". Hey ho.

Due to your post lacking a comma. Just having a go for little reason.