Any Americans on here? What is the feeling in America regarding trump?

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I've only seen one person talking out against him regarding Greenland. I know this can't be representative to reality. But I wonder what the media is controlling

What's going on in America?

@YourGoldSquid- I understand that view, to a point.
But does this view override whatever the leaders do - when it’s tipping into nothing to be proud of? Or is it f it, we may as well do some carp stuff anyway’ - I’m thinking extremes of ICE and annexing Greenland particularly.
I find both of these things embarrassing for a country rather than it helping to find my pride in it and myself.
Many people find themselves identified as ‘the problem’ eg disabled, single parents, immigration views but don’t all throw everything else in the bin to say ‘f you, I’ll make it a shitshow’. I appreciate this blame maybe less in the U.K. (or not) and I’m also female so maybe my ‘pride’ isn’t as high on the scale as some but to me it’s still scary how far that f you attitude can go.

Agree. See this a lot and it actually then minimises the sane stuff. Like ‘Trump is worse than Hitler’, or ‘better Russia than America’. It’s just stupid statements thrown out there with no real thought as to whether they make sense.

This is exactly what we have Trump.

Don't agree with my Democratic policy? You are fucking uneducated moron too stupid to understand how the world really works.

These so-called idiots provide Americans with most of their food. Farming is difficult. Show a little respect.

i think you'll find that on the one hand, countries are eager to trade with China for their national prosperity agenda and on the other hand they are not averse to state-level espionage, cyber security breaches and other nefarious interventions.

China and Russia have long been scary, and whilst we attempt to keep some relationship with them for some stability/trade etc (pre Ukraine) then we shouldn’t forget that. Just because the US is now also scary doesn’t mean China or Russia are now fine, we just need to accommodate this change in geopolitical structure somehow.
Are we just searching for a power where we can hang on their coattails? Or is it that the enemy of our enemy is our friend? Probably best looking closer to home imo for friends.
Never sure if the ‘great triumvirate’ are dividing the world up between them or fighting to be number 1.

That was way before Trump and unfortunately they really were fucktards. Multiple adults with serious job were asking me if we have roads, cars or TVs in my home country, that’s how stupid they were.

We have problems for sure. But all nations have problems. Racism in China and Japan is crazy. Do we really think that Africans, Asians, and other minorities would have it better in places other than the UK and America? Absolutely not. We aren't perfect. But both nations have mechanisms to make changes and improve. In democracy this is a slow process. But it works.

Again, I'm not too concerned about Venezuala. Despite all of the hand-writing, the entire world has been in favor of removing Maduro for a long time. They are just complaining now because Trump actually did something about what the UN had already decided. So not too concerned.

The ICE raids are a disaster. Obama deported more people than Trump but he targeted criminals and didn't make a show of it.

I actually think Kristi Noem's statement about showing citizen documents is changing the entire conversation. That's simply not how things work in this country. And to suggest otherwise is wrong.

Why?

Absolutely this.

Also the fact that they are farmers doesn’t award them more respect than other professions + farmers in other developed countries manage to know more about the rest of the world.

plus farmers of all people should understand what will happen with their business if all their Mexican workers would disappear

Thank God you you are not a politician.

"Hey Moron! Vote for me!"

These people are the fabric of their communities. They are farmers, mechanics, fathers, mothers, etc. Do they have your education? Nope. But I'd like to see you go cultivate 100 acres of Barley or Corn. Can you drive a tractor or harvester? Then you are the idiot. Good luck eating.

Lack of formal education does not make you stupid. I know a lot of PHDs who try and tell me men can become women. I've never had a farmer or rancher tell me that. In fact, the only thing I've heard from them is to love your family, cherish your children, and raise them to be hard working and kind people.

But sure, Labour should adopt this tactic. Go to all the poors on benefits and explain that they are just too stupid. They should have gone to college.

No wonder these voters embrace Farage.

Jesus Christ. You know nothing of what Americans are actually like.

But sure, just dismiss them as backwards hillbillies.

You do know that most farmers in MN are actual socialists right? Many farmers vote for the Dems.

I was on a tourist trip in London yesterday, several Americans present. They were all embarrassed by the antics and keen to distance themselves from their Government.

However, even they would say Americans who travel are not representative.

My Dad (not American) thinks Trump is great because he puts his own country l's interests before all else. I can't help thinking the interests of "America" and the interests of most American people are not exactly the same thing.

Why better?

The Economist has pretty good polling/approval tracking

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

How is Britain on a par with the U.S. here. Democracy is under threat in the U.S. you only need to look at what dominates public debate to see that.

American here 👋

hmm how do I feel? It’s a good question - and I think out of all political commentators I resonate with Bill Maher the most. I’m a liberal who has been let down by the democrats who went so far left it was insanity and Donald trump was the product of that. Whilst I didn’t vote for him (nor did I vote for Harris) I see why people did. To be honest I didn’t vote Harris because I couldn’t see what I was voting for?? Trump on the other hand offered action and he has - for good or bad - lived up to that. He said he would deal with illegal migrants and he is deporting them as opposed to past presidents from both sides who have just let it slide. I think after 4 years of absolute nothingness and skyrocketing prices people wanted something, anything and he offers that.

do I liken him no? Do I see why people do? Yes.

do I think the people of the UK need to concentrate on what’s going on in their own country? Very much yes! (I live in the UK)

Perhaps.

But honestly, Americans were tired of NATO countries not spending 2% of GDP on defense. Tired of shitty trade deals with China and the rest of Asia. So yeah, a lot of Americans appreciate Trump telling allies to live up to their agreements. A lot of Americans are actually bothered that UK citizens can't speak freely without getting the cops involved. Frankly, it seems almost anti-British. So do they respond well when Vance tells the UK to get its free speech shit together? Yes. I'm not suggesting this is correct or right. But Americans are very aware of what happens in the UK. And it disturbs them because, to many Americans, the UK and America are brothers. We are natural allies. We embrace the same political philsophy unlike those damned French and Germans. :)

So when Americans see the shit said about JK Rowling, or see that someone is detained for not wanting dick in the ladies room, it pisses them off. Maybe it is none of their concern. But there is genuine concern this is happening in the UK -- the beacon of free speech. We all ask ourselves, how do we prevent this kind of thing in America. Luckily, the first amendment helps here.

None of that stuff about free speech is true though, certainly not in the way JD Vance is telling you.

Rowling has been unfairly targeted in my view, but by the public, not the authorities, and neither is anyone stopping people say what they think about her views. That's exactly what free speech is. Both sides expressing robust views freely.

So roll over and allow someone to nab someone else’s country then?

Gosh, hasn’t that always gone well in the past?

To be fair to Chamberlain, he knew in 1938 the RAF was in no state to match the Luftwaffe, Czechoslovakia’s borders were indefensible, and the country was dead against another war.

He wasn’t prepared to play cards that the UK didn’t have at that time.

Greenland’s borders are just as indefensible and the US militarily outmatches Europe. Could we get to military parity with the US in 18 months? Not a chance in hell.

We have levers like switching off Five Eyes cooperation or selling US treasury bonds. Would the UK public wear the resulting cost of living spike, likely recession, and increased terror risks? I think unlikely.

None of my post is about what ‘should’ happen. But UK/European leaders have got very used to talking endlessly about what ‘should’ happen while giving away the cards they need to make their words mean anything.

Weird how the 'free speech' warriors were the ones wanting doxxing of people who said anything negative about Charlie Kirk.

So weird.

I assume those Americans you reference above who are so worried about a lack of free speech in the UK, were beyond appalled by JD Vance's suggestion that people be terminated from their jobs for that?

What do you think would have happened if we’d have declared war on Germany in 1938?

(Again, this isn’t a post about what ‘should’ happen. But the lesson from history is that if you deprioritize both military and economic strength you quickly find yourself a bystander. That’s what we have done).

You mean as opposed to murdering someone who said something they didn’t like?

But Scotland threatened her. Sturgeon called her out by name. She has been oppressed.

And I guess it is OK that you can be investigated for non-crime hate incidents? WTF is that about? Do cops have nothing better to do than harass Posey Parker?

When she came to Florida, she famously said "I'm not a vet but I know what a dog is." No police showed up. Nobody got hurt. It's just words that you can agree with or not.

I mean look, if the British people are cool with these laws, who the hell am I to tell them otherwise. But it just seems interesting that the only speech suppressed is so-called "conservative" speech. Apparently, calling for the death of Jews is cool. But you object to the spending on asylum seekers? Bigot.

Right or wrong, Americans see this as absolute oppression of a specific political viewpoint. Same thing happens here. At Harvard:

"Jews run the world and commit genocide" -- totally cool.

"Black people are the root of all American crime." - you would be dead within 10 minutes.