Any Americans on here? What is the feeling in America regarding trump?

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I've only seen one person talking out against him regarding Greenland. I know this can't be representative to reality. But I wonder what the media is controlling

What's going on in America?

So why is US immigration looking at tourist social media? what would it matter what they had written on social media to enter the US?

But that isn't happening here, the cultural neurosis over these issues isn't something your average Brit worries about- you are just describing the Maga view of the UK, people are locked up for speaking by Khan as he is now King, everyone secretly wants to be American as we have nothing really in common with our very close neighbours in Europe, despite many of us having family from there, going back a generation or two, despite most of us mainly holidaying there.

Friends and peers I have are all intellectually free agents, they are able to discern what is cultural war BS and don't care enough. Like many Americans they just want a stromg economy, to live in a democracy, to know their grandparents didn't sacrifice their lives or health in a world war that's been forgotten about. To want their own children to live in as safe and secure world as possible within a positive and productive world.

@Fiftyniftystateswe can’t just ignore what’s going on in the US. It affects us too much. The tariffs, the threats to Greenland -as a NATO country it affects us directly. The internal US stuff, yes, I find ICE horrifying but if people voted for it, so be it. @YourGoldSquid you say there’s only another 2 years to go, but European economies are too dependent on the US and tariffs will have severe effects. I agree we need to do the most we can to resist. Refuse the state visit, FIFA should cancel the World Cup and move it to another country next year. We should discourage tourism. Anything at all to try to fight back against the tariffs and Trump’s treatment of Europe.
He has made good points in the past on defence spending, and NATO are stepping up more, but seizure of another country is unjustified. Following WWII the US agreed with Greenland to have as many military there as they wanted for security. There had been 26 bases and these have been stripped back. There is no reason these couldn’t be increased again with Greenland’s agreement. But of course it isn’t really the security that concerns Trump, it’s the rare earth minerals, same as in Ukraine. He just wants to get his hands on them rather than just negotiate for US countries to work with Greenland on their extraction. Its ownership and greed, not security.

I remember when 9/11 happened and the western world stood with the US, and with its Republican president.

I suspect if something like 9/11 happened again the response would be far more muted, much more of a shrug and a “sad, but you reap what you sow” attitude.

The new US has shown that it is no friend of Europe, it will use its economic and military power to bully, to threaten, to flout international law. The new US will happily steal oil from a country’s people with no pretence and no shame. It will look enviously at a peaceful country and see an opportunity to acquire Lebensraum. Why would anyone ever stand with a country so willing to burn its allies, allies who sent their own soldiers to die in deserts at America’s call?

The face of the US is now Trump sticking up his middle finger, Trump mocking disabled people, Trump making himself and his family vastly more wealthy through his abuse of public office. I know there are plenty of good people in the US, but this man is now the image you present to the world.

@Nesbitogally agree with this. The nepotism and greed shown by the Trump family and making a fortune out of his presidency is absolutely repugnant. The corruption is off the scale

I lived in rural ALABAMA so I do know what actual hillbillies are like.

Sorry? Not sure I'm understand you, but I'll try.

I'm asking a specific question. @YourGoldSquid asserted that one of the reasons American support Trump and what's happening is due to their overwhelming concern about an alleged lack of free speech in the UK. So I'm curious about this:

I assume those Americans you reference above who are so worried about a lack of free speech in the UK, were beyond appalled by JD Vance's suggestion that people be terminated from their jobs for that (criticising Charlie Kirk post-assassination)?

And please note, I did not imply at any point that I'm in favour of murdering anyone for anything they've said. But surely those who approve should be entitled to their free speech? Since we're such absolutists.

@YourGoldSquid Any response?

Same here. Those on the left sneer at all the "thickos" who have different views to them. Then they act shocked that they'll vote for Farage who actively targets that socio-economic group and doesn't talk down to them.

they'll vote for Farage who actively targets that socio-economic group and doesn't talk down to them.

But lies to them.

They were actually stupid though.

so it explains why they don’t understand implications of voting for Trump even when it ends up against their interests. Because stupid people do fall prey to socialism much easier.
and also because they don’t care about anything outside the US because they nothing about it and they don’t care about it.

also farming doesn’t require anyone to be intelligent. It requires someone to be hard working and that’s all. My grandfather was a farmer (although he was not an American farmer and read books) so don’t give me this BS

It would be like Britain giving Ireland, Scotland or Wales to the Trump. We don't own them and Denmark doesn't own Greenland. Would you be OK with that because Trump could take them by force? So basically Trump can do whatever he likes anywhere in the World. And if that's the case the west has no moral high ground on Russia and Ukraine or China and Taiwan, big countries can just take what they want.

Oh for sure. But who isn't being lied to by politicians?

It’s his base. He has 25-30% support for pretty much anything. “I could shoot a man on 5th avenue”

But that has come down from what used to be 40%. We can only hope it continues to reduce.

I do think his lying is of a different scale. But the point is, if you're willing to vote for someone with such a clear record of (well, it's a lengthy list) just to shove it to the people who said you were thick, maybe it's not the best way to make a decision?

What the Farage who went to Dulwich College and was a Trader in the City, didn't men who were bullied by him recently speak up about his extreme views? So relatable isn't he!

They are thickos because they believe his lies. He’s not talking down to them but he’s lying to them, he’s promising things that he can’t ever deliver. After Brexit and red bus one should understand that’s a lie but they are stupid so they don’t get it

Putin wants Ukraine for the same reason Trump wants Greenland. It’s all about natural resources. This is also why he took Venezuela. Parasitical Behaviour.

So... he fancies Scotland (after all he has a golf club there)

Should we stand by and let him just take it?

He's a fascist megalomaniac and needs to be stopped

He wants Greenland for his own personal profit

This idea that Trump speaks to the common man is just baffling. He will exploit them for the power they give him, when he can stand on a platform and address them as the formless mass they are, but as real people, as individuals with lives and hopes and fears and dreams - it’s not just that he doesn’t care about them, he clearly loathes them.

Is he building his ballroom for Americas poor and huddled masses? Are his weekends spent in soup kitchens, or talking to normal people about their lives? No, if he’s not playing golf he is holed up in his Mar a Lago palace, shitting on golden toilets and ensuring that the only people who can get close to him are already dripping with money and power. You just know how he speaks about ordinary people when the microphones are off - they mean nothing apart from the use he can make of them.

That this is not obvious to every ordinary American is a mystery that should be studied - how can people be so masochistic!

You say you can’t ignore because the UK is in nato but were you posting about the uk not meeting nato military spend commitments?

like your name btw 🥰

The red bus one? You mean the extra money for the NHS? Whilst that was a silly political slogan, since then the NHS is receiving more than the amount quoted in additional money. I wouldn’t ascribe that to Brexit but it did happen under the Tories after Brexit so some might.

But when you consider the alternative? Democrats claiming Biden was compos mentis and that men could magically become women if they said so.

This is where the danger lies. People conflate the kind of lying that politicians have always done, with the kind of lying that Trump/Farage et al do. It is not the same, not even close.

Many politicians lie about stuff like “yes we won’t raise taxes” or “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.” These guys lie about stuff like “The election was rigged” and “grocery prices have come down.” They lie in a way that insists people should ignore what is happening right in front of their eyes. That their lived experience is false. That is far more dangerous than lying about having a party during Covid.

Sorry but where are you getting your facts from, the red bus was a lie brought about by Farage, the total divorce cost to leave the EU is about 37.2 billion, we will be paying it until 2065, no benefits have arisen from Brexit brought about by Farage, if you want to see him ruin this country further, the poorest in the UK feeling the worst of it- sure go-ahead and vote for him.

Every country that invades another will have some sort of pretext - you need this to justify your actions to your own people.

No country ever believes they are”the bad guy”, so instead you hear things like- “we had no choice, we had to act decisively, they were about to attack us”, or “the people want us to invade to topple an oppressive regime”, or in this case “we need to own Greenland in order to protect it from other countries that might want to take it from Denmark” (!!)

Make no mistake though, America is putting itself in the role of the aggressor, threatening Europe and NATO.

He might not appear to ‘talk down to them’ - he will shaft them though - they won’t get what they think they are getting at all.
I also think he goes home and laughs at his followers - we all know he doesn’t have a real preference for beer. But that is a personal view so I don’t try and insist to anyone it’s absolutely true - though Farage will insist his ‘views’ are true.
I’d prefer someone sneered to my face, not pretend ‘nice’ for their own ends but I accept I’ll be told they all do that.
What I honestly find very baffling, and worrying, is the unwavering loyalty of some whatever Trump does - above that found in your average follower of a politician or celebrity even - where he could literally shoot someone on 5th avenue and his followers wouldn’t care and/or would make up some mind boggling shite to excuse it.
For example I voted labour here last time, I don’t agree at all with their immigration rhetoric and feel free to say so instead of now pretending that’s what I wanted all along and/or it’s fantastic. And I think everyone would find it impossible to find a party they’d agree with totally on everything, but that’s ok and leads to discussion, ultimately some compromise and maybe more of a balanced type leadership.
The absolute cult like following of one person is dangerous. And Farage is heading that way with some who won’t listen or discuss any potential issues - not sure U.K. would get as far as US with it but it’s a worry for sure - understanding Trump’s ability to garner such widespread and total adulation, or why people want to follow so closely may help us not repeat this mistake - just may.