Any Americans on here? What is the feeling in America regarding trump?

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I've only seen one person talking out against him regarding Greenland. I know this can't be representative to reality. But I wonder what the media is controlling

What's going on in America?

I am really very ignorant about the US political system and how it all "works" in terms of house of representatives, Senate and the rest of it. But if midterms are later this year and may stop him doing a lot of what he wants to do, that's an explanation why he's going full throttle now.

Are the Democrats working hard to get a very solid candidate for the next set of Presidential elections?

I have extended family in the US who are very MAGA (they emigrated as children about 60 years ago). One guy has been very "trump is wonderful" the whole time but if actually saw this week he posted that he felt Greenland etc was a step too far, although he still ended his post with "Trump is a great guy") 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Based on the analysis, Russia did try to influence the election by using a few Facebook accounts etc. IMO, the material impact was pretty small.

And Musk? X is free speech. Counter it on Bluesky. Make the argument to the American people.

Tyranny, literally, is trying to silence opinions you don't like. Sunlight is the best medicine. If ideas are wrong, they should be exposed as such. Let the voters decide. I don't want some idiot bureaucrat deciding that what Musk says on X is "misleading." That's lazy. Make your argument. But, we Americans are pretty radical when it comes to speech. I understand that Europeans generally have different views. And I get that. European history has been influenced by hate speech. So I'm not suggesting Europe should adopt the American attitude. Rather, simply expressing that if you want to piss and American off, (left or right), try and shut down their speech.

well ro be fair he is an idiot so probably incapable of handling it any other way

Dems are in real trouble. They don't have a Bill Clinton waiting in the wings. But given the current political climate, if they put forth a candidate who would admit men cant become women, they will win.

After 8 years of trump, we'll want a change.

I work for a US company and all my US colleagues love him. These are educated people. I’m baffled.

I think the mumsnet crew is a bit of an echo chamber in that MAGA folks won’t be on a UK based feminist leaning chatroom. Be under no illusions, pro trumpers are half of americans.

Just like in the UK probably a solid third of our electorate would happily see in a far right pseudo fascist mob and be happy about it.

Very true.

But he has some very capable people working with him. Like Rubio. I'd like to see Trump delegate some of these specifics to the State Department. His direct involvement only works against him.

What the fuck are you on about? You’ve gone off on a tangent there 😂

As an older Brit I find anyone liking Trump (or to an extent as similar, Robinson/Farage here) baffling - but I think they appeal as they do as they please, and stick 2 fingers up at anyone disagreeing, and I think quite a few people would love to be that person - the mainstream political arena being so gives a bit of permission for it as well.
I find it scary how far that can be stretched - grab folk off the streets, take another country or 2.
I do think there are some who genuinely believe Trump is putting America first and doing best for them as a citizen - and that’s enough for them, they won’t bother much with politics and may not be aware, or believe, any of his actions are so bad - and if one or two actually arent so great then they’ll let that pass. The rabid supporters are odd though - the mental gymnastics required for that just ridiculous.
It’s worrying to me the sizeable proportion of the US population that do support him though - I’d understand maybe 10% from the above thoughts - the US, and others are swinging to this approach to rule though - it’s never previously proved to have a good outcome, but we seem to forget history now.
Re Europe and Trump I now think that the push to remain allies, in the face of obviously not really being seen as such by Trump, will prove effective over Greenland - he can’t just tell everyone and the military Europe is no friend - I mean he probably will - but all of the actions to date prove otherwise and it may just be a step too far for some military/citizens.
To those thinking Denmark, the EU, and Europe might as well hand a country over, how many is too many? And why not Ukraine? Taiwan? Slovenia? Poland? The time to enforce boundaries is now or well fall like dominoes.

How comfortable do you think Trump supporters would feel expressing their support in your community?

One thing you have to remember is that Republicans have been called racists, Nazis, misogynists, etc for over 50 years. And of course, this is an absurd generalization.

Much of Trump's appeal, IMO, is from Republicans who were just tired of being accused of bullshit. Finally they saw a politician who was fill to say F-U to the NYT and Washington Post.

Democratic moral panic against Republicans since the 1970s is one reason we have Trump.

And look, you can think men are absolute shit. But can we be surprised that after 10-15 years of being blamed for all the world's problems that they would vote for a man who says no, you are valued as an American.

What won the election for Trump, IMO, was the "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you." Black men, hispanic men, white women, people who never voted before got behind this. Why would you vote for someone who thinks you are the cause of all world problems?

For the past 10 years, democrats have been shit politicians. They have isolated the poor working class by telling them that they need to learn to code instead of work the mines. This is horrible politics and Trump exploited democratic political idiocy.

Isnt Trump considering offering money, and big amounts, to the residents of Greenland to sway their decision if it comes to any voting etc? If so, I predict many Greenlanders will go for it. As they say, money talks….

This sums it up for my family too.

I don't see any checks on Trump's power. For example, that oil he seized from one of venuzualan tankers? It's gone into a slush fund he controls in Qatar. Goodbye to any oversight on that money. He does appear to doing exactly what he likes and Congress just rolls over.

Greenland is such a headline disaster zone that it's got to be deliberate. Trump could already get anything he wants from it. Extra protection? It's part of NATO. More boots on the ground? Good news; you have a base on there. Mineral rights? Well, there is an offer on the table to work with them. The only thing NOT up for grabs is territorial expansion. The Greenlanders accept Danish protection and eventually want full independence. That's something the USA has historically been keen on.

What are we not paying attention to, whilst Trump burns through Europe's goodwill?

Denmark, as a sovereign state has signed up to NATO. It is therefore the responsibility of NATO to protect Greenlands integrity. So yes, it is our responsibility to militarily defend Greenland, and if Trump really wants to take on the rest of NATO, then that will be horrifying but so be it.

Appeasing the bully because his gaze is not on you is never a wise move. All it means is no one will come to your defence when the bully turns on you. Which is exactly why we have NATO so we can stand together. We just didn't anticipate that America would be the aggressor.

This is absolutely a hill to die on.

But does that inadvertently send us running into the arms of Chinese manufacturers instead, in trying to boycott US products?

It gives you lists of brands and where they are based/ who has a stake.

Imagine that Labour blames you for all of Britain's problems. You have concerns about immigration policy? Racist Nazi. You don't want dick in women's restrooms? Transphobic Nazi.

Eventually, folks are going to push back. And I think that is one part of the Trump/Farage appeal.

Self-hatred is unattractive. Both Brits and Americans have a lot to be proud of. The Magna Carta literally transformed the world for the better. American and British troops don't use rape as a weapon of war. I just read a letter the other day of of a German woman who was surprised and thankful that American and British troops didn't rape them. Sure, we have a lot of problematic history. But that's just the nature of the world. On the whole, Britain has been a blessing to the world.

But if you continually tell the UK and American people literally the two nations who have transformed the world for the better though democratic philosophy at some point they are going to just say F-U. We are proud to be British and American. We are proud of the good things our countries do. If you beat people down, they will eventually turn on you.

Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves. They purposely isolated men, especially young men. And guess what? To win elections you need men. Men who work the mines. Men who work on Wall Street or in the City of London. If as a party you continually tell men they are shit, why would they vote for you?

Better the Chinese than the Americans.

I grew up in NY but have lived in London for about twenty years and pretty much the same. I honestly don't know a single person in any aspect of my life who isn't heartbroken and horrified, genuinely frightened for the future, and angry at the corruption, the deceit, the gaslighting, the flouting of laws and norms, the cruelty. It doesn't feel like this can be the reality.

That said, most of the people in my life are university educated (at a minimum) north easterners, which is the group most likely to oppose what's happening. I do have relatives in the midwest, and university friends who are from different backgrounds and have scattered through the country, and as far as I know they feel the same.

This is crazy. It would be like boycotting Rolls Royce (or are they German now?) because the Tories suck.

All this will accomplish is pushing more people to Trump. Why fight the American people when the majority oppose what is happening? Seems counterproductive.

I’m really not bothered in the slightest what you have to say.

This is an insane take.

Sure, the communist chinese who monitor their people, suppress speech and put Muslims in concentration camps are much better than those damn Americans.

Perhaps Brits and Americans should adopt social credit scores that determine if we can bank, travel, or buy certain products. China is the beacon of freedom and democracy in our modern age. Jesus.

You hate Trump but praise Xi? Absolute insanity.

This grudge and ill will thing is what populists tap into across the world.
Trump's friend Farage does this.
All the Trump/Farage supporters I know have some deep seated fear/feeling on injustice (founded or otherwise) that they believe their hero will resolve.

I lived in a red state many many years ago in a rural area and it’s going to sound mean but there a lot of really dumb people out there. Their school education is abysmal, they know literally nothing of the world outside the US nor do they care to know and they have very very strong thoughts that America is the best in the world and whatever they do it right. And that was before Fox News became a propaganda machine.

they don’t care about international rights be because they have no idea about them.

they are not bad people btw, just people, but extremely uneducated and not curious and very brainwashed to think they are as a country the best in everything