If this doesn't wake people up to the vile person Farage is ....

[ColadhSamh]

Nothing will, Disgusting human being
https://x.com/I_amMukhtar/status/2012113175211106539

Ignoring the horrible slur, how exactly is Farage going to stop the boats? What is his plan?

You're actually quite nasty aren't you?

Right of centre, is correct I guess as far is technically right of centre.
Just because lots of people have fallen for the rhetoric, doesn't make it a good thing. Many people fall for populism, hence its name. They pertain to solve complex problems (that have been stoked up by creating fear) with simple solutions that resonate with people. Those people have been fed lots of propaganda making them easy targets.
The people at the head of the populist groups, don't give a monkeys about the issues themselves, but are just using it as a way to gain power.

@Dollymylove

Lol, did he not spout some sort of nonsense like this with Brexit - how did that go? He said we will have control of our borders, lol, and folk on boats has risen significantly since brexit? Did we actually lose the right to return people because of brexit? Not to mention the financial harm brexit has caused the UK and all the other things that we no longer benefitted from.

Voting Farage just because of people coming on boats, (when vast majority of migration to the UK is controlled through visas) and literally ruining everything else in the UK is the epitome cutting nose off in spite your face.

Utter stupidity.

With all due respect, it’s not.

Ah yes ‘populism’, otherwise known as giving the majority want they want in a democracy. The horror people like you must have of giving the majority what they want…

Any chance of an answer to my earlier question, or are you just here to insult posters who challenge you?

What I don't get about Reform voters is that you got your Brexit, you got your Boris Johnson, you got your Liz Truss and the Daily Mail salivation of her budget and you got 14 years of right wing government. Did these help you? Did these help you to get employment, get a doctor's appointment or address cost of living? They jolly well did not. And now whilst Labour are trying to sort out the mess, you're masochistically wanting more of the same, if not worse. Farage hates the NHS. Reducing taxes isn't going to help public services either is it? Nor will reducing immigration re those who work in the NHS. Farage only wants to help himself. He's an awful MP, he's hardly in Parliament and Reform councils have been resolutely awful and are now increasing council tax. Yes, you want change but looking to the right wing is so not the answer.

14 years of a right wing government? Pull the other one it’s got bells on: sunak and Johnson were little more than Lib Dem’s in drag.

I mean, the obvious point is that populism doesn't give people what they want. It just pretends that it does. Unless of course what you want is to scapegoat minorities
In the hopes that will make your life better whereas in reality, it will make you poorer and a select few people richer. Which might be exactly what you're after. For all, I know, you might want to be poorer, or you might be one of the five percent that might gain from having a very right wing (or left wing) government.
I might be wrong and you will find me some good examples where populism has led to the majority having a better life. In which case I would love to hear about them.

Are you on crack? Democratic systems are literally populism in action!

The LibDems are a social club these days, they're not a serious party. It all kind of reminds me of Hot Fuzz. A quaint, sleepy village just trying to maintain the peace and quiet, and then some liberal Metropolitan city copper gets parachuted in to bring law and order, crime suddenly spikes, the villagers get fed up and go from being calm and docile to hard right almost overnight.

Tbh, does any government ever follow through on what they say to get our votes? The difference here being that both Labour and the Tories have been proven to lie to get our votes, but we haven’t had Reform yet, so we can’t judge on whether they will deliver what they promise in their manifesto.

Holy moly, not right wing enough for you? Liz Truss didn't work out too well, did she? So where things have gone wrong is that those 14 years weren't right wing enough or that your Brexit wasn't hard enough??!! I rest my case with masochism, unless you are fortunate enough to be in the top 5% income wise and able to afford private education or private healthcare and presumably everyone else should just work harder or something.

Correct - not right wing enough

The NHS needs reform. It no longer works. It needs someone with balls, and who is surrounded by same thinking back benchers to get any proposals through, to dismantle and rebuild it, and there may need to be partial, privatisation. And it’s a myth to say that the NHS needs immigration. Yes, it might need doctors and consultants from other countries to bring their wealth of knowledge, but otherwise we have many people living here currently not working who can take those jobs. Starmer tried to bring through a Welfare review bill, but unfortunately the far left on his back benches blocked it. Maybe Reform can get a Welfare review in place, freeing up the work shy to take jobs.

Sadly our major towns and cities, and increasingly their outskirts have not been calm and sleepy for a few hundred years or more, there's a reason why people escape to the country.
Whilst I love the Cornetto films, the other take away from Hot Fuzz is that it was only calm and sleepy because the locals were vigilantes, and sergeant Angel was sent there because his crime solving enthusiasm made his colleagues look bad.....perhaps you're right after all.

Populism = populace, people, individuals.
Democracy = mob rule.

The two words are different but mean roughly the same thing. Populism has just been made into a dirty word over the years because it doesn't work in the same way democracy does.

Populism gives everyone what they want on an individual basis; whatever is popular to those people. Democracy is to take a vote and apply it across the board regardless of what some people want.

Example: My company mandated an office day once a fortnight. A small number of outgoing people love these days and think everyone else is a miserable git and anti-social. The people that can't get any high quality work done in such an environment, the 'anti-social miserable git' ones, have to just muddle through the day and try not to snap and staple anyone to their desk.

If the office days were on an individual basis, as in people were given the choice to go in, then staff morale would have gone through the roof, but the loud "I don't have an indoor voice" people in the company didn't want it to be done that way.

I see. So because you can’t answer me your deflecting. Says absolutely everything I need to know about you.

I ask again. What has Nigel Farage ever done that has been positive for the UK?

And here are the facts: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7783/
Up to 36 percent of London NHS doctors are from outside the UK.
So your solution for the NHS is for what - to take the unemployed training as doctors and surgeons? I'm sure those on waiting lists can wait for them to get a degree (or even GCSEs and A levels) to serve in Farage's NHS army.
I think if horrors of horrors we get the Farage show in power it would be like the Reform councils who when greeted with facts and reality end up just putting up flags whilst people wait for the actual solutions.
I don't understand the need for privatisation argument either. I'd be very wary of where you're getting the information from and who would be profiting from it. And, bear in mind that privatised water, gas and electricity haven't turned out too well.

Yup me too.

Just a typical example of a Reform voter.

Yep, and sending our soldiers boots on the ground to Ukraine, which when some of them get killed would spark WWIII.