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healthyteeth · 17/01/2026 12:16

Livelovebehappy · 17/01/2026 10:39

Tbh, does any government ever follow through on what they say to get our votes? The difference here being that both Labour and the Tories have been proven to lie to get our votes, but we haven’t had Reform yet, so we can’t judge on whether they will deliver what they promise in their manifesto.

Well I can predict that already…

And yes we have had Reform. We’ve had all the ex Tories before. For 14 years.

HopSpringsEternal · 17/01/2026 12:26

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 10:32

Are you on crack? Democratic systems are literally populism in action!

Either you're being deliberately ignorant or genuinely, don't understand that populism doesn't mean popular. It's quite clear you're on here for the wind up, but for anyone else reading It's important to clarify the difference.

Happyjoe · 17/01/2026 12:27

healthyteeth · 17/01/2026 12:16

Well I can predict that already…

And yes we have had Reform. We’ve had all the ex Tories before. For 14 years.

And we can also see the track record of the reform cllrs voted in 16 months or so ago, plus Nige's track record of being an MP to see exactly where we are headed.

People voted in people standing for reform who are totally out of their depth, don't have the inclination or knowledge to help constituents and not much interest in politics. All they did was stand for election because they don't like 'boat people'.

NinaNina83 · 17/01/2026 12:54

I can’t look at the guy …

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 13:18

HopSpringsEternal · 17/01/2026 12:26

Either you're being deliberately ignorant or genuinely, don't understand that populism doesn't mean popular. It's quite clear you're on here for the wind up, but for anyone else reading It's important to clarify the difference.

There is no difference: democracy literally means people power. Go and campaign for unpopular things and see how quickly you get elected.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 17/01/2026 14:10

healthyteeth · 17/01/2026 12:16

Well I can predict that already…

And yes we have had Reform. We’ve had all the ex Tories before. For 14 years.

Labour and Tories are a uniparty. Same policies applied, just a lot faster with a Labour government. Much, much longer than 14 years.

1dayatatime · 17/01/2026 16:14

ChapmanFarm · 16/01/2026 23:39

This stuff annoys me. Not because I like Nigel Farage but because it undermines serious complaint.

Going after him with things like this and complaints about school 40 plus years ago just allow him to say "see they are frightened and out to get me".

Argue the political points properly or he will get in. We have not learned from Brexit. Shouting 'gammon' at people and refusing to acknowledge that there were genuine issues around employment contracts etc with an endless supply of cheap labour did nothing but further entrench the sticking two fingers up attitude.

Make the case for what you can offer instead and why they are wrong.

Exactly- basing your political offering on "simply not being the other guy" rather than actual alternative policies does not win elections as Kamala Harris found out the hard way.

To be fair the prime example of this is Ed Davey and the LibDems. I mean they have 70 odd MPs and other than "Trump is a bad man" and "Farage is a bad man", WTF are their actual policies to make things better.

We might not like Labour or the Conservatives but at least they have policies whether you agree with them or not

Vastimprovement · 17/01/2026 16:40

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:25

Yes you are right - those poor bands that can’t make it to their gigs without filling their paperwork in… literally peak middle class out of touch mumsnet. Go talk to some low skilled workers who can’t get jobs due to all our ‘imports’ and I will cry you a river.

Hold your tears. I doubt you have many. You have absolutely zero idea of who I am or what I’ve experienced. That was my point, but I expect you miss many points.

sleepwouldbenice · 17/01/2026 18:01

Mahanswarcanoe · 16/01/2026 22:37

‘anyone not a socialist by the age of 20 has no heart: anyone not a conservative by the age of 30 has no brain’

my moral compass is fine thanks.

It really isn't. Hth

Wizeman · 17/01/2026 23:15

ColadhSamh · 16/01/2026 22:50

Interesting post from you on a parenting forum. More bothered about telling us you will.continue voting for Farage and his party, rather than condemning his euligising of a convicted and vile abuser whose crimes against children were horrific. Noise? Not even disguising it. 😧
May Watkins rot in hell.

How? Explain to me why the other options we have are better. At the minute is reform led by a former buisness man or the greens who are led by a communist who used to hypnotise idiots into thinking he could make their tits bigger. 1. When has communism ever worked? 2. What do you think a hypnotist does for a job? They lie 3. Are you going to be the idiot who falls for them lies? You fell for labour and the Conservative lies. The important bit isn't listening to what they will do but how they will do it. Labour, Conservatives and Green have said what they will do, not how they will do it. Reform said how they will do it.

Wizeman · 17/01/2026 23:22

1dayatatime · 17/01/2026 16:14

Exactly- basing your political offering on "simply not being the other guy" rather than actual alternative policies does not win elections as Kamala Harris found out the hard way.

To be fair the prime example of this is Ed Davey and the LibDems. I mean they have 70 odd MPs and other than "Trump is a bad man" and "Farage is a bad man", WTF are their actual policies to make things better.

We might not like Labour or the Conservatives but at least they have policies whether you agree with them or not

Yes but do the policies they have actually come into effect? A stronger military "we will spend over 2.5% of gdp on defence" well guess what the royal navy somehow has a 27 billion pound black hole in its budgets. They are full of shit, non of the policies have worked and any that sound nice like more police they cant even do. Its like me saying to everyone ill make you all rich, it only takes one smart person to ask the question of how, and I wouldn't have an answer. This is how politically dumb some people are, they dont ask how.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 23:51

Vastimprovement · 17/01/2026 16:40

Hold your tears. I doubt you have many. You have absolutely zero idea of who I am or what I’ve experienced. That was my point, but I expect you miss many points.

Surprised you have time for mumsnet given all those pesky post Brexit forms you need to fill in as you take forward your vitally (vitally) important work moving bands around Europe.

Vastimprovement · 18/01/2026 00:19

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 23:51

Surprised you have time for mumsnet given all those pesky post Brexit forms you need to fill in as you take forward your vitally (vitally) important work moving bands around Europe.

I think you’re talking to the wrong person. I don’t have any bands in Europe. But thank you for your thoughts anyway. I don’t think there’s such a thing as ‘Brexit forms’ either. Hope you feel better soon.

Alexandra2001 · 18/01/2026 06:44

Livelovebehappy · 17/01/2026 10:48

The NHS needs reform. It no longer works. It needs someone with balls, and who is surrounded by same thinking back benchers to get any proposals through, to dismantle and rebuild it, and there may need to be partial, privatisation. And it’s a myth to say that the NHS needs immigration. Yes, it might need doctors and consultants from other countries to bring their wealth of knowledge, but otherwise we have many people living here currently not working who can take those jobs. Starmer tried to bring through a Welfare review bill, but unfortunately the far left on his back benches blocked it. Maybe Reform can get a Welfare review in place, freeing up the work shy to take jobs.

So whilst the NHS is being "dismantled" who and how would the millions that need medical treatment daily, get it?

This is why the NHS cannot be dismantled and re built.

The real motive for the 'right, is to get rid of the last but one of what they think is state interference in peoples lives.

Thatcher & Joseph were keen to this in the 80's, over ruled by more moderate cabinet voices.

Once is NHS is privatised, they'd move onto state education.

My DD works in the NHS, additional funding provided since the NI increases, have meant her dept waiting lists have come down from 22 weeks, to 2 weeks... thats for people who have suffered strokes.

NHS doesn't work because of decades of under funding, staff equipment and building - see RAAC in uk hospitals, held up with wood and prop's.

Livelovebehappy · 18/01/2026 09:42

Alexandra2001 · 18/01/2026 06:44

So whilst the NHS is being "dismantled" who and how would the millions that need medical treatment daily, get it?

This is why the NHS cannot be dismantled and re built.

The real motive for the 'right, is to get rid of the last but one of what they think is state interference in peoples lives.

Thatcher & Joseph were keen to this in the 80's, over ruled by more moderate cabinet voices.

Once is NHS is privatised, they'd move onto state education.

My DD works in the NHS, additional funding provided since the NI increases, have meant her dept waiting lists have come down from 22 weeks, to 2 weeks... thats for people who have suffered strokes.

NHS doesn't work because of decades of under funding, staff equipment and building - see RAAC in uk hospitals, held up with wood and prop's.

Obviously the change would happen in stages to allow normal service to continue whilst ongoing. Like when most changes are implemented to services. And when Thatcher was in power, the NHS was good - absolutely no comparison to what it is now. My recent experience of the NHS indicates things aren’t improving at all. BIL - we rang on Monday last week at 5pm for an ambulance. He has COPD and was struggling to breathe. Ambulance showed up at 11pm. He was then in A&E until midday the next day waiting for a bed. Turns out he has pneumonia. No apology. No explanation. Probably because this is now the norm. I worked in NHS as a staff nurse in the 80s and it worked pretty well back then. Not perfect, but nowhere near the shit show it is now. The NHS is a money pit. There has been billions invested in the NHS over the last few decades with little to no improvement to show for it.

Zonder · 18/01/2026 11:00

I worked in NHS as a staff nurse in the 80s and it worked pretty well back then. Not perfect, but nowhere near the shit show it is now. The NHS is a money pit. There has been billions invested in the NHS over the last few decades with little to no improvement to show for it.

The issue is that NHS funding in real terms hasn't increased. Funding hasn't kept up with inflation and particularly under the Tories real term funding dropped. Some might say this was in preparation for convincing people the NHS doesn't work and needs to be privatised.

How anyone thinks a private set up that covers all the needs of the NHS would work is beyond me. A private set up, by nature of being private, has to make a profit. Money has to go to the owners. They're not doing it for the good of their health!

Mahanswarcanoe · 18/01/2026 11:28

Zonder · 18/01/2026 11:00

I worked in NHS as a staff nurse in the 80s and it worked pretty well back then. Not perfect, but nowhere near the shit show it is now. The NHS is a money pit. There has been billions invested in the NHS over the last few decades with little to no improvement to show for it.

The issue is that NHS funding in real terms hasn't increased. Funding hasn't kept up with inflation and particularly under the Tories real term funding dropped. Some might say this was in preparation for convincing people the NHS doesn't work and needs to be privatised.

How anyone thinks a private set up that covers all the needs of the NHS would work is beyond me. A private set up, by nature of being private, has to make a profit. Money has to go to the owners. They're not doing it for the good of their health!

Or, some might say that there is no conspiracy and the reality is that as a proportion of state spending, the nhs has hit a terminal tipping point where it’s % of national spending can’t practically get any bigger

GeneralPeter · 18/01/2026 14:33

Zonder · 18/01/2026 11:00

I worked in NHS as a staff nurse in the 80s and it worked pretty well back then. Not perfect, but nowhere near the shit show it is now. The NHS is a money pit. There has been billions invested in the NHS over the last few decades with little to no improvement to show for it.

The issue is that NHS funding in real terms hasn't increased. Funding hasn't kept up with inflation and particularly under the Tories real term funding dropped. Some might say this was in preparation for convincing people the NHS doesn't work and needs to be privatised.

How anyone thinks a private set up that covers all the needs of the NHS would work is beyond me. A private set up, by nature of being private, has to make a profit. Money has to go to the owners. They're not doing it for the good of their health!

Real terms funding has not been cut. It increased though every year of the coalition government (albeit, sometimes by very little), when pretty much everything else was being cut strongly. The first real-terms cut since 1997 came after Covid when a lot of emergency funding reduced.

The issue here is demographics. Healthcare needs way more than real-terms increase to account for people's longer lives, aging population, and increased expectations.

Our political system has shown itself unwilling to meet that through taxation (under either main party). Why? Because the people won't vote for it.

Transitioning to more of an insurance-based model opens up a whole new funding stream from people who will vote against a party promising to raise taxes significantly, but are happy to pay more for their own healthcare, taking pressure off the public-financed part.

Other Western insurance-based models rank extremely well. The two countries that often rank worst are the UK and US, mainly (I think) because minds are closed in both places about better ways to run their systems.

As for the profit bit: we rely on a profit-driven system to feed us, and would die in weeks if it stopped. Unless you think a nationalised food production and distribution system would be better and cheaper, I think it's worth examining the assumption that a mixed system with significantly more private involvement couldn't improve healthcare. It works well in dozens of countries. The US is the outlier and we don't have to pick them as our model.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 18/01/2026 16:08

Mahanswarcanoe · 16/01/2026 23:35

Calm down dear - he got pranked

Perfectly chilled thanks. Funny how most of us manage to avoid being pranked into supporting paedophilia.

Boomer55 · 18/01/2026 17:31

fedsup · 16/01/2026 22:54

Do you truly believe he will do the things he says?

Thats the bit I don’t get.
We cannot have low taxes, low immigration & improved services. It will not happen.

I would love to believe in utopia to by the way.

Edited

I wouldn’t vote reform, but the other parties are hopeless as well. The link is fake news anyway.

Teanbiscuits33 · 18/01/2026 17:39

Boomer55 · 18/01/2026 17:31

I wouldn’t vote reform, but the other parties are hopeless as well. The link is fake news anyway.

Edited

It isn’t fake news, it happened, and although it may have been a prank, the point is it shows just what he’s willing to say for £98 without checking. He’s also a liar. He said in the video that he and Ian Watkins were in contact with each other, so either he’s lying or he was in contact with a paedophile. Not a great look 😂

Imagine what else he’d say for the right price. The reason that he’s doing so well is people dismiss things as easily as you just have without putting much effort into thinking about what the underlying issues actually are.

Mahanswarcanoe · 18/01/2026 18:00

Teanbiscuits33 · 18/01/2026 17:39

It isn’t fake news, it happened, and although it may have been a prank, the point is it shows just what he’s willing to say for £98 without checking. He’s also a liar. He said in the video that he and Ian Watkins were in contact with each other, so either he’s lying or he was in contact with a paedophile. Not a great look 😂

Imagine what else he’d say for the right price. The reason that he’s doing so well is people dismiss things as easily as you just have without putting much effort into thinking about what the underlying issues actually are.

You may not agree with the man (which is fair enough) but by god is your post desperate stuff.

Teanbiscuits33 · 18/01/2026 18:03

Mahanswarcanoe · 18/01/2026 18:00

You may not agree with the man (which is fair enough) but by god is your post desperate stuff.

😂😂😂😂

Alexandra2001 · 18/01/2026 18:31

Mahanswarcanoe · 18/01/2026 18:00

You may not agree with the man (which is fair enough) but by god is your post desperate stuff.

Desperate stuff??

Farage wants to be the PM of the UK.... he has no standards and no team around him to stop being an idiot.

Hopefully at least some Reform voters aren't as blinkered as you.

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