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ikeepforgetting · 17/01/2026 01:32

Does a little bell go off and one of them has to rush to any thread online mentioning that gobshite/trump/brexit/whatever? You could set your watch by them. Every time.

GeneralPeter · 17/01/2026 07:29

Blump2783 · 17/01/2026 00:47

I don't know why people are proud to be right wing. You're basically saying you don't give a fuck about anyone else. Good work.

I’m centre-right myself (and am certainly not Reform).

Two things that formed me were India and China’s market reforms in the 1980s and after. (One I’d lived in, one I would go on to know very well).

Seeing hundreds of millions of people escape absolute poverty and famine and begin their climb towards comfort or prosperity taught me the power of capitalism to do real, life-transforming good on a massive scale. It also underlined how slogans that sound well-meaning from govt often justify systems that hold people in misery.

Later I learned that trade, industry and the Industrial Revolution had done similar on a global scale. Could there have been a socialist industrial revolution? Possibly, but the repeated record of socialist-planned innovation drives suggest they can work for a few decades but rarely more, and that such prosperity it brings is allocated top down, is often meager and corrupt.

History has given us many more experiments over the years. East Germany, West Germany. North Korea, South Korea. Many Asian states whose people started to see prosperity once they moved away from socialism.

Recently Argentina: poverty rate down from 52% to 36% since Milei. Household income up 26%. Inflation down from 200% to 2%.

Do you support those reforms? If not, what do you have to say to those, by now, billions who are no longer destitute because of them? Is your take on 70s British politics (or whatever first shaped your views) more important than their lives and comfort?

Standing in the charnel houses of Cambodia really brings home that the right has no monopoly on fascistic violence either.

Many, many people are right wing precisely because they “give a fuck” about other people.

Alexandra2001 · 17/01/2026 07:34

Mahanswarcanoe · 16/01/2026 22:50

He’s right of centre - as are apparently most of the country outside of your echo chamber (see the polls).

and about time too given at the end the tories were little more than the Lib Dem’s in drag.

as to the quote: you will find I am correct.

You can vote for who you like, its a free country but on polling, just 24% intend to vote Reform & a further 18% Conservative, more people support centre and left parties than right wing ones.

We just have a messed up voting system.

If Farage was tricked into supporting this vile child abuser, then issue a sincere apology.. but he hasn't....

MannequinsArePeopleToo · 17/01/2026 07:38

As (I think) the saying goes -
When the USA catches cold, Britain sneezes.

Coming to town near you, folks.

GeneralPeter · 17/01/2026 07:59

@Alexandra2001
If Farage was tricked into supporting this vile child abuser, then issue a sincere apology.. but he hasn't....

I don’t see he has anything to apologize for (from this episode).

The person responsible for the offence caused from this is the prankster.

You might remember that minor flap about the local politician who used the word ‘niggardly’ in a speech and was misunderstood. (It’s a totally different etymology). It offended a colleague, no doubt sincerely, who complained.

Imagine if it turned out that the word had been put into his speech by a political opponent who then spread the clip widely, claiming it was the n-word, causing great offence, as was part of the opponent’s plan.

The person who caused the harm in that case, and who should apologize, would be the one who nobbled the speech.

Yet in this Farage scenario they are somehow the hero? Doesn’t make sense.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:17

Ihavelostthegame · 17/01/2026 00:49

What ridiculousness is this? 😂

Serious question. Please demonstrate one single positive thing that Farage has contributed to this country?

His big claim to fame is Brexit. Which has been an utter shit show from start to finish and made us worse off as a country and reduced our soft power to boot.
He barely ever turns up to Westminster. Even more rarely turns up to his own constituency. He is up to his neck in bribery from Russia and the orange idiot. Reform isn’t even a proper political party it’s a company. Incidentally a company that NF is the only director of. Funny that!

Whataboutery. Please try again.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:21

Blump2783 · 17/01/2026 00:47

I don't know why people are proud to be right wing. You're basically saying you don't give a fuck about anyone else. Good work.

let me fix that for you:

I don’t know why people are proud to be left wing, you’re basically saying you have no grasp of history and don’t give a fuck about all the repression, misery and failed attempts at spending other people’s money.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:25

Vastimprovement · 17/01/2026 00:52

I mean… I can empathise with her. We used to have a freedom to work and live in the EU and now we don’t. Now our children don’t. That will look different for each person. This was this OP’s experience of that. Do you usually have issues with empathy?

Yes you are right - those poor bands that can’t make it to their gigs without filling their paperwork in… literally peak middle class out of touch mumsnet. Go talk to some low skilled workers who can’t get jobs due to all our ‘imports’ and I will cry you a river.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:30

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/01/2026 00:56

Let me guess, the judicial rulings you don't like are the ones that stop migrants from being treated illegally? If the courts can't stop the Govt from breaking the law about treatment of migrants, they can't stop the Govt from breaking all the other laws too.

When the Govt can break the law, the Govt can do what it likes, including hurting you and yours. When the Govt can break the law, the Govt can round people it doesn't like up and put them in prison for no reason.

The judiciary, by ruling against the Govt when it breaks the law, are protecting you and me.

Utter nonsense. The judiciary runs this country and that is not how the unwritten constitution is supposed to function. See building of key infrastructure in the uk seeing obstruction, never mind letting every Tim dick or mohammed in.

CrazyAboutFurBabies · 17/01/2026 08:32

Blump2783 · 17/01/2026 00:47

I don't know why people are proud to be right wing. You're basically saying you don't give a fuck about anyone else. Good work.

Please explain ‘basically don’t give a fuck about anyone else’ ?

The Lefts whole mantra has been:

wE hATe ANyone that DoENt think Like us Or Agree with ANythin we’ve saID, if You don’t agree You ARe a Facist, raCIsT, TransPHobE BigOT and any other word that’s fashionable that week….

Alexandra2001 · 17/01/2026 08:33

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:25

Yes you are right - those poor bands that can’t make it to their gigs without filling their paperwork in… literally peak middle class out of touch mumsnet. Go talk to some low skilled workers who can’t get jobs due to all our ‘imports’ and I will cry you a river.

Members of my family and myself went to work in Europe, we were def not M/C my brother worked in Germany on a building site, driving back monthly through Europe to spend a weekend with his family....
I initially worked in a bar...
No work in the UK in the mid 90s.

You re showing yourself to be a bit of an inverse snob

Alexandra2001 · 17/01/2026 08:36

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:30

Utter nonsense. The judiciary runs this country and that is not how the unwritten constitution is supposed to function. See building of key infrastructure in the uk seeing obstruction, never mind letting every Tim dick or mohammed in.

Stick to Reform, they are the party for you, sit on your arse, moaning, blaming your ills on migrants, instead of getting out there and competing in the jobs market.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:38

Alexandra2001 · 17/01/2026 08:36

Stick to Reform, they are the party for you, sit on your arse, moaning, blaming your ills on migrants, instead of getting out there and competing in the jobs market.

What an interesting assumption… a reform voter must surely be either unemployed or low skilled… I am neither but what a fascinating insight into your bias

Alexandra2001 · 17/01/2026 08:52

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:38

What an interesting assumption… a reform voter must surely be either unemployed or low skilled… I am neither but what a fascinating insight into your bias

Whats good for the goose is good for gander... plus plenty of v well paid jobs involve "sitting on your arse...

You were very happy to call a pp M/C and peak out of touch.....

What a fascinating insight into your hypocrisy....

TacticalFuckery · 17/01/2026 08:53

Mahanswarcanoe · 16/01/2026 22:58

The UK is governed by quangos and arm length bodies. The judiciary has too much power and it has broken the traditional separation of powers between the executive, legislature and judiciary that made the system work. All courtesy of the Blair era which assumed we would play follow the leader to the EU forever and so could dispense with all that tedious governing stuff.

if farage can bulldoze through this and get our government actually governing again then yes, I believe him.

This is the biggest load of tosh I’ve read. It’s simply not how our country operates.
Dictatorships aren’t to be envied. Especially when headed by self interested liars like Farage.

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:54

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Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:57

TacticalFuckery · 17/01/2026 08:53

This is the biggest load of tosh I’ve read. It’s simply not how our country operates.
Dictatorships aren’t to be envied. Especially when headed by self interested liars like Farage.

It’s exactly how the government operates and has done so ever since Blair. The separation of powers is broken and heavily skewed towards the judiciary: for further information see the Starmer government and its inability to gain traction…

AnnasFangs · 17/01/2026 08:59

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 08:57

It’s exactly how the government operates and has done so ever since Blair. The separation of powers is broken and heavily skewed towards the judiciary: for further information see the Starmer government and its inability to gain traction…

Can you give an actual example of what you mean?

caringcarer · 17/01/2026 09:05

BelleEpoque27 · 16/01/2026 22:51

He's not a conservative. He is completely devoid of morals - he'd do or say anything if it got him money or notability. He's a confirmed racist, in the pocket of Russia, and is a national security risk to this country.

Starmer is the biggest risk to this country. He is gifting the Chargos Islands 1600 miles from Mauritius to Mauritius who has never owned them before. They are worth billions and strategically important because of Diego Garcia air base. Mauritius are in bed with China. That is the security risk. Starmer just took them ck to see it. All of our military chiefs ar against it. Then he's wasting billions renting them back. No other politician is a greater risk to UK. He's also at th same time trying to make deals with EU to give up UK sovereignty.

lljkk · 17/01/2026 09:10

ChanceOfALifeLine · 16/01/2026 22:53

I don’t get it. Yes, I already think he’s vile. But he was tricked in to saying this, he’s not actually praising him? So why would it change anyone’s mind on him?

yeah, doing Cameos is a bit gross, fair enough. Do people expect him to thoroughly vet all clients/associations? I doubt that's covered in a market competitive price for Cameo.

hattie43 · 17/01/2026 09:22

caringcarer · 17/01/2026 09:05

Starmer is the biggest risk to this country. He is gifting the Chargos Islands 1600 miles from Mauritius to Mauritius who has never owned them before. They are worth billions and strategically important because of Diego Garcia air base. Mauritius are in bed with China. That is the security risk. Starmer just took them ck to see it. All of our military chiefs ar against it. Then he's wasting billions renting them back. No other politician is a greater risk to UK. He's also at th same time trying to make deals with EU to give up UK sovereignty.

I don’t think Starmer likes this country . The next big security risk is him signing off on this massive Chinese embassy when so many are saying he shouldn’t .

Dollymylove · 17/01/2026 09:27

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Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 09:35

AnnasFangs · 17/01/2026 08:59

Can you give an actual example of what you mean?

The A303 tunnel is a good example as are met police stop and search powers and the Rwanda asylum policy

Happyjoe · 17/01/2026 09:44

CrazyAboutFurBabies · 17/01/2026 08:32

Please explain ‘basically don’t give a fuck about anyone else’ ?

The Lefts whole mantra has been:

wE hATe ANyone that DoENt think Like us Or Agree with ANythin we’ve saID, if You don’t agree You ARe a Facist, raCIsT, TransPHobE BigOT and any other word that’s fashionable that week….

Again, writing bollocks.
The 'left' have brought you

National minimum wage, NHS, maternity leave, child benefit, decriminalisation of homosexuality, made racism illegal, brought in equal pay.... I could go on...

....but I fear that you're only interested in 'johnny foreigner' issues and spouting same old tired shit whenever someone may actually voice reason and facts to you.

AnnasFangs · 17/01/2026 09:46

Mahanswarcanoe · 17/01/2026 09:35

The A303 tunnel is a good example as are met police stop and search powers and the Rwanda asylum policy

The government cancelled the A303 and the Rwanda schemes, not the judiciary.

I am not quite sure what you are getting at with the stop and search example, can you explain, please?

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