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What will life be like under Reform?

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Easipeelerie · 27/09/2025 09:05

I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

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Caps44 · 30/09/2025 09:50

At least financially we will be better off, with removal of VAT on school fees. I would prefer Tories / Lib Dems, but they have no chance.

Periperi2025 · 30/09/2025 09:57

I imagine it will be much like it is now and has been for the last decade.

Declining public services
Lack of social care provision
Stagnating salaries
Health service (in whatever form it takes) unable to provide adequate care for most people, so the wealthier pay for the best private care they afford, and everyone else waits and hopes.
Poor SEN provisions
Teachers leaving the profession in droves
And the rich continuing to get richer

If life was glorious now and the established parties were providing an appealing alternative manifesto then reform wouldn't exist let alone be heading for power. This is what we should be shouting about. Why has this country been allowed to reach the point it is at now!!

1457bloom · 30/09/2025 10:24

Periperi2025 · 30/09/2025 09:57

I imagine it will be much like it is now and has been for the last decade.

Declining public services
Lack of social care provision
Stagnating salaries
Health service (in whatever form it takes) unable to provide adequate care for most people, so the wealthier pay for the best private care they afford, and everyone else waits and hopes.
Poor SEN provisions
Teachers leaving the profession in droves
And the rich continuing to get richer

If life was glorious now and the established parties were providing an appealing alternative manifesto then reform wouldn't exist let alone be heading for power. This is what we should be shouting about. Why has this country been allowed to reach the point it is at now!!

All these things are the by product of an economically weak country, they are unaffordable. First and foremost we need this country to be an economic powerhouse, then everyone will benefit.

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 11:32

AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad · 30/09/2025 09:42

Except we aren't a productive one are we.

We have a huge benefit bill. We have people misusing 999 all the time. We have people going to A&E with colds.
We have lots of lazy people who have been given lots of free stuff (benefits, healthcare) are now entitled, spoiled and definately not productive.

You are correct in so far as the theory is true. A healthy workforce has the ability to be a productive workforce. However a healthy workforce can choose not to work as well because they get more on benefits which seems to be what is happening.

Lots of deaths that happened years ago were because certain things just didn't exist. So for example I take an inhalor for mild asmtha which gives me no bother most of the time. So going forward I would have to pay for that inhalor privately. 100 years ago that inhalor did not exist. The medical science has not been discovered. Same for lots and lots of things. They didn't exist even if you were mega rich and could pay for them. Women used to die in childbirth because doctors didn't wash their hands because they didn't understand germs. We didn't have vacinations for things because they hadn't been invented yet. Same for antibiotics.

So people would not necessary be sicker. What they would be is more careful. They would budget for medical insurance. They would look after the health better. The certaintly wouldn't call an ambulance unless it was a real emergency. They wouldn't not turn up for a GP appointment.

Does the US not have county hospitals that are free if you don't have healthcare? They look alot like our A&E does now. Overrun and exhausted doctors etc. Presumably we might have something similar.

The NHS was a great idea when our population was smaller, being on benefits was embarrassing and nobody would have had the audacity to give cheek to a policeman or abuse a paramedic trying to help. These are not the times we live in now.

Whilst I agree that we do have people that abuse the system and we need to look carefully at how best to approach this, I cannot agree that we would be better off in with an American style system. In 2025, the average American spends about $14,570 a year on healthcare, including insurance premiums, doctor visits, meds, and hospital stays. Out-of-pocket costs (what you pay yourself, on top of insurance) averages at over $1,100 a year per person. This obviously varies and even insured people face "surprise bills" or high deductibles (you pay $1,000–$5,000+ before insurance kicks in).
Exorbitant medical bills in the United States play a huge part in personal bankruptcies. 40% of bankruptcies in the states are due to the heavy cost of medical expenses. About 1 in 10
Americans has medical debt, and it can lead to bankruptcy or skipped care.
The U.S. system has big issues, it's the worst-performing among rich countries in access, costs, and outcomes.
The UK has better life expectancy and lower maternal death rates than America partly because of universal coverage.
Yes our NHS is struggling, it needs reform but it’s a shining jewel in our crown and we would abandon it to our detriment

Periperi2025 · 30/09/2025 13:14

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 11:32

Whilst I agree that we do have people that abuse the system and we need to look carefully at how best to approach this, I cannot agree that we would be better off in with an American style system. In 2025, the average American spends about $14,570 a year on healthcare, including insurance premiums, doctor visits, meds, and hospital stays. Out-of-pocket costs (what you pay yourself, on top of insurance) averages at over $1,100 a year per person. This obviously varies and even insured people face "surprise bills" or high deductibles (you pay $1,000–$5,000+ before insurance kicks in).
Exorbitant medical bills in the United States play a huge part in personal bankruptcies. 40% of bankruptcies in the states are due to the heavy cost of medical expenses. About 1 in 10
Americans has medical debt, and it can lead to bankruptcy or skipped care.
The U.S. system has big issues, it's the worst-performing among rich countries in access, costs, and outcomes.
The UK has better life expectancy and lower maternal death rates than America partly because of universal coverage.
Yes our NHS is struggling, it needs reform but it’s a shining jewel in our crown and we would abandon it to our detriment

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There is a whole world of different options between the NHS/UK health & benefit system and the US health & benefit system. It is hyperbole to suggest that the UK will jump from where we are now to the US system in one government tenure.

We need drastic changes as the current system is not functioning, if Labour could see that and make some really bold decision then nobody would need to worry about reform coming into power.

It is the current mainstream political parties that are the problem. A new political party that is just forming shouldn't stand a chance at getting in to power.

estellacandance · 30/09/2025 13:29

The same.

The Sir Humphrey’s will still be running the show, as they always have done.

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 13:46

Just leaving this here…..

What will life be like under Reform?
anothermondayyy · 30/09/2025 14:11

Why the acceptance! You are manifesting a Reform government with your words and thinking! They are not in government at the moment and they do not have many MP’s! We do have some control about this and don’t have to just roll over and give in to the far right!

RolandH · 30/09/2025 14:46

Fizzer5 · 27/09/2025 10:30

@zazazaaar and others talking about Reform making "the rich richer at the expense of the Poor"
Just how do you think this will happen, what methods, what mechanisms are there for this.

They don't actually need to do anything to do this - given that governments seem unwilling to properly tax the wealthy and super-wealthy, the trend we have seen of them simply increasing their wealth with just continue.

But given their politics, they will probably just follow the Republicans in cutting taxes for the rich, and cutting public spending.

RolandH · 30/09/2025 14:47

Periperi2025 · 30/09/2025 13:14

There is a whole world of different options between the NHS/UK health & benefit system and the US health & benefit system. It is hyperbole to suggest that the UK will jump from where we are now to the US system in one government tenure.

We need drastic changes as the current system is not functioning, if Labour could see that and make some really bold decision then nobody would need to worry about reform coming into power.

It is the current mainstream political parties that are the problem. A new political party that is just forming shouldn't stand a chance at getting in to power.

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It's not really about whether the NHS needs reforming, or whether a different health system would be better. It would be who you trust to do this in the public interest rather than just line their friends pockets. Do you really trust Farage to do that?

RolandH · 30/09/2025 14:50

1457bloom · 30/09/2025 10:24

All these things are the by product of an economically weak country, they are unaffordable. First and foremost we need this country to be an economic powerhouse, then everyone will benefit.

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We can't be an economic powerhouse with the rich taking as big a slice of the pie as they do. If the policies they favour actually favour prosperity, why aren't we seeing it now? Because they are the ones in charge, surely.

Periperi2025 · 30/09/2025 14:54

RolandH · 30/09/2025 14:47

It's not really about whether the NHS needs reforming, or whether a different health system would be better. It would be who you trust to do this in the public interest rather than just line their friends pockets. Do you really trust Farage to do that?

No i don't trust Farage not to do that, I also don't trust Conservatives to do it ethically and I don't trust labour to do it all, and THIS is the problem. I want there to be an appealing alternative to Reform for everyone to vote for, but nobody is offering this, and we live in a democracy, so at the rate it is going Reform is what we will get.

Sherbs12 · 30/09/2025 14:54

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 13:46

Just leaving this here…..

It’s been interesting to see Reform leaders squirm and try to distance themselves from Nathan Gill the former Reform leader for Wales who has pleaded guilty to pro-Russia bribery - he was an MEP with Farage, part of UKIP, the Brexit Party and had a senior role in Reform, plenty of photos of them together and they just brazenly dismiss any connection. It makes you wonder why they feel the need to reject reality of the connection.

RolandH · 30/09/2025 15:10

AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad · 30/09/2025 09:42

Except we aren't a productive one are we.

We have a huge benefit bill. We have people misusing 999 all the time. We have people going to A&E with colds.
We have lots of lazy people who have been given lots of free stuff (benefits, healthcare) are now entitled, spoiled and definately not productive.

You are correct in so far as the theory is true. A healthy workforce has the ability to be a productive workforce. However a healthy workforce can choose not to work as well because they get more on benefits which seems to be what is happening.

Lots of deaths that happened years ago were because certain things just didn't exist. So for example I take an inhalor for mild asmtha which gives me no bother most of the time. So going forward I would have to pay for that inhalor privately. 100 years ago that inhalor did not exist. The medical science has not been discovered. Same for lots and lots of things. They didn't exist even if you were mega rich and could pay for them. Women used to die in childbirth because doctors didn't wash their hands because they didn't understand germs. We didn't have vacinations for things because they hadn't been invented yet. Same for antibiotics.

So people would not necessary be sicker. What they would be is more careful. They would budget for medical insurance. They would look after the health better. The certaintly wouldn't call an ambulance unless it was a real emergency. They wouldn't not turn up for a GP appointment.

Does the US not have county hospitals that are free if you don't have healthcare? They look alot like our A&E does now. Overrun and exhausted doctors etc. Presumably we might have something similar.

The NHS was a great idea when our population was smaller, being on benefits was embarrassing and nobody would have had the audacity to give cheek to a policeman or abuse a paramedic trying to help. These are not the times we live in now.

This is absurd. You're just saying things that you want to be true rather than accepting that a modern democracy needs something like a welfare state. You are literally happy for people to die in poverty. I don't understand why you aren't seeing why people are offended by what you are saying. It's because they don't want their fellow citizens, their friends, their family, themselves, to die. To die, needlessly and pointlessly in a very rich country. All this "well, with privilages come responsibilities" school-marmish snootiness. People will die. They will live in misery. And it will be partially your fault. Because they didn't live up to your callous, myopic view of the world.

You're like little babies who like everything to be your own way, and blame people for any slight failing and are indifferent that they are in poverty and their children are in poverty and when they are dying because they can't afford treatment or medicines they will say "Not my problem - they deserved it anyway because they didn't work hard enough - of course the minimum wage isn't too low - we need the money to go to us and our betters so we can squander it on things we don't need or just hoard it in case something unfortunate happens to us but when something unfortunate happens to others well, too bad."

We had a policy for full employment in this country. Thatcher got rid of it. So now we don't even aim for it. And you're blaming people for not having a job? That's why everyone doesn't have a job. However, we actually have notably low unemployment now - just listen to More or Less or something where they actually analyse statistics. And most of them have to claim benefits to get by. So they are working hard, but you don't want them to even get by. You resent them. Resent them for just wanting a half decent life.

RolandH · 30/09/2025 15:14

Periperi2025 · 30/09/2025 14:54

No i don't trust Farage not to do that, I also don't trust Conservatives to do it ethically and I don't trust labour to do it all, and THIS is the problem. I want there to be an appealing alternative to Reform for everyone to vote for, but nobody is offering this, and we live in a democracy, so at the rate it is going Reform is what we will get.

In that case, you should look over the smaller parties, and if none of them is to your liking, form your own or not vote. You could always concentrate on trying to put forward your ideas about how it should be fixed. Someone has to, after all.

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 22:21

Sherbs12 · 30/09/2025 14:54

It’s been interesting to see Reform leaders squirm and try to distance themselves from Nathan Gill the former Reform leader for Wales who has pleaded guilty to pro-Russia bribery - he was an MEP with Farage, part of UKIP, the Brexit Party and had a senior role in Reform, plenty of photos of them together and they just brazenly dismiss any connection. It makes you wonder why they feel the need to reject reality of the connection.

https://x.com/reformexposed/status/1973009275980292487?
Totally agree! The links between Reform and Russia should concern ‘patriots’. Russian rhetoric against the Uk has intensified since early 2025, positioning the UK as Russia's primary Western foe. Russian threatens nuclear attack to "sink" or turn the UK into a "radioactive desert."

Farage is Putins man in the UK, he lies about his links and connections. As Krasnov has destabilised the USA, Farage would bring that here. I consider it treason to vote for Reform.

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Cattenberg · 30/09/2025 22:36

I think we should also be asking Nigel about his TV appearances on the Kremlin-backed channel, Russia Today.

NorfolkandBad · 30/09/2025 22:50

Cattenberg · 30/09/2025 22:36

I think we should also be asking Nigel about his TV appearances on the Kremlin-backed channel, Russia Today.

It was 15 years ago according to google and at the time was legal to be broadcast in the UK - keep digging out nonsense like this and then wonder why Reform win the GE.

Cattenberg · 30/09/2025 23:04

I'm not suggesting for a moment that it was illegal! But if you put all Reform's connections with Russia together, then the implications are worrying. I'd like to see a investigation to establish who exactly is funding Reform. I have noticed that in interviews, Farage seems to be particularly sensitive about this subject.

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 23:05

NorfolkandBad · 30/09/2025 22:50

It was 15 years ago according to google and at the time was legal to be broadcast in the UK - keep digging out nonsense like this and then wonder why Reform win the GE.

No, he last appeared in 2017 and was even offered his own show on Russian State TV. A vote for Reform is a vote for Putin’s man in the UK. https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/nigel-farage-from-russia-with-love

NorfolkandBad · 30/09/2025 23:10

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 23:05

No, he last appeared in 2017 and was even offered his own show on Russian State TV. A vote for Reform is a vote for Putin’s man in the UK. https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/nigel-farage-from-russia-with-love

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Ok comrade - if you say so.

Circularmadness · 30/09/2025 23:16

NorfolkandBad · 30/09/2025 23:10

Ok comrade - if you say so.

🙄🙄Ridiculous, the timeline is verifiable. His ties are undeniable. You seem keen to avoid the reality.

yellowspanner · 30/09/2025 23:21

I am sick of the woke culture here. Reform will stop all the diversity and unconscious bias rubbish.
And they will deal with the benefit scroungers who will need to go to work like the rest of us. And the illegal inmigrante will be quickly deported

Cattenberg · 30/09/2025 23:32

NorfolkandBad · 30/09/2025 23:10

Ok comrade - if you say so.

Bit of a desperate attempt to throw us off the scent, don't you think?

NorfolkandBad · 01/10/2025 08:52

Cattenberg · 30/09/2025 23:32

Bit of a desperate attempt to throw us off the scent, don't you think?

Ok I admit it - I am Vlad and now I'll leave the world stage as you've found me out.

Either that or you're spouting hysterical nonsense.

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