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Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

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MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 18:37

llizzie · 19/09/2025 18:33

I am completely unimpressed. I haven't the slightest intention of wading through all that stuff.

It will not change my opinion.

In other breaking news…!

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 18:55

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 18:31

I disagree with your percentages - if you look at the numbers involved from left wing in online petitions to “cancel” people or get people sacked or removed etc it’s a far greater number than the fringe lunatics. Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the mainstream left party not so long ago and he’s so far left of centre he’s a Hamas supporter! He attracts far more than 0.1%.

If you look at the percentages of the right wing people who are suddenly OUTRAGED by people exercising their freedom of speech and demanding that talkshow hosts lose their jobs, it's a far greater number than fringe lunatics. Trump won enough votes to become president twice. InfoWars claims tens of millions of viewers. Nick Fuentes claims nearly a million followers. And Yaxley-Lennon got tens of thousands of people to march for... something... only last week. They attract far more than 0.1%.

TheNoonBell · 19/09/2025 19:06

MasterPlaster · 18/09/2025 20:20

Yes, I know. Conservative was in power. Farage still campaigned for it on materially incorrect information. I can’t find any references to the NHS actually receiving the £350M a week as a result of Brexit? Would love to see it though.

Here you go, it's not a stat some people like.

2019 NHS Total Spending: £176,800,000,000 (£176bn)
2020 NHS Total Spending: £212,700,000,000 (£212bn)

This gives a difference of £35.9 billion or £690 million per week.

To bring it up to date, here is last years spending.

2024 NHS Total Spending: £258,000,000,000 (£258bn) or £45bn more than 2020.

R0ckandHardPlace · 19/09/2025 19:11

TheNoonBell · 19/09/2025 19:06

Here you go, it's not a stat some people like.

2019 NHS Total Spending: £176,800,000,000 (£176bn)
2020 NHS Total Spending: £212,700,000,000 (£212bn)

This gives a difference of £35.9 billion or £690 million per week.

To bring it up to date, here is last years spending.

2024 NHS Total Spending: £258,000,000,000 (£258bn) or £45bn more than 2020.

£258B adjusted for inflation is £201B in 2020, so it’s actually less, not more.

llizzie · 19/09/2025 19:16

llizzie · 19/09/2025 18:33

I am completely unimpressed. I haven't the slightest intention of wading through all that stuff.

It will not change my opinion.

....and a lot of books are being removed and libraries closed because no one buys them.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 19:17

TheNoonBell · 19/09/2025 19:06

Here you go, it's not a stat some people like.

2019 NHS Total Spending: £176,800,000,000 (£176bn)
2020 NHS Total Spending: £212,700,000,000 (£212bn)

This gives a difference of £35.9 billion or £690 million per week.

To bring it up to date, here is last years spending.

2024 NHS Total Spending: £258,000,000,000 (£258bn) or £45bn more than 2020.

Are these from the ONS? Based on the timelines, the increases were due to pandemic related government healthcare expenditures. There’s nothing to show these have anything to do with Brexit? And in fact, even pandemic aside, healthcare spending usually increases year on year (accounting for those five years later) and would’ve been planned in advance of any Brexit related changes, in any case.

taxguru · 19/09/2025 19:20

I've a policy of ignoring/not engaging with extremes, whether political, religious, or anything else really. I only deal with "middle of the road" people who are usually a lot more balanced, even though some are more left/right wing than others. Basically I prefer dealing with "Mondeo Man" as coined by Blair!

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 19:48

Ah you have got me there - all Trump supporters are right wing extremists 😂

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 19:57

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 19:48

Ah you have got me there - all Trump supporters are right wing extremists 😂

If the cap fits. But I’m open to hear a different spin on what supporting a convicted felon and sexual assaulter means?

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 19:58

llizzie · 19/09/2025 19:16

....and a lot of books are being removed and libraries closed because no one buys them.

  • Eh? No. The Trump administration ordered books to be removed that don’t align with their regime. The case I was referring to was an academic library where they removed books discussing the history of feminism and civil rights, texts examining the Holocaust and Holocaust memorials and Maya Angelou's autobiography, I know why the caged bird sings. This has also happened to thousands of children in schools who had their access to library books dealing with race and gender barred under a sweeping review ordered by the Trump administration. It’s straight up censorship.
Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 20:17

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 19:57

If the cap fits. But I’m open to hear a different spin on what supporting a convicted felon and sexual assaulter means?

You put 77m Americans in the camp of extreme right because they voted for Trump!? His conviction was for tax offences no worse than Angela Reyner’s, and his offences against women, grave as they were, are likely far less than our former pedo loving US ambassador- who is life long Labour Party royalty. I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t regard all his supporters as far right nutters, just the fringe. I also see that despite the mistakes both Reyner and Mandelson made, both probably cared about UK and wanted to do the best for the country, although given their mistakes they needed to leave office. But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies. Trump must = right wing crazy. That’s why the left are always so angry about everything - it must suck.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 20:32

llizzie · 19/09/2025 19:16

....and a lot of books are being removed and libraries closed because no one buys them.

Buying books in libraries isn’t really the common expected usage. However, in the US, usage of libraries is bouncing back somewhat from pandemic times. They continue to be important within communities to allow access to books, magazines, internet and computer access along with community meeting spaces. Those are all good things, no?

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 20:41

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 20:17

You put 77m Americans in the camp of extreme right because they voted for Trump!? His conviction was for tax offences no worse than Angela Reyner’s, and his offences against women, grave as they were, are likely far less than our former pedo loving US ambassador- who is life long Labour Party royalty. I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t regard all his supporters as far right nutters, just the fringe. I also see that despite the mistakes both Reyner and Mandelson made, both probably cared about UK and wanted to do the best for the country, although given their mistakes they needed to leave office. But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies. Trump must = right wing crazy. That’s why the left are always so angry about everything - it must suck.

Haha, Fixed ideologies. Which ones? Please share. I think I must’ve lost them down the back of the sofa.

But while we’re waiting… oh, yes, you needed the distinction that it was a civil case in which he was convicted of sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll? Also, no worries on those financial crimes? 34 felon counts of falsifying business records to cover up a payment made during the 2016 election to hush a campaign impacting story? Great guy! He should be president!

No worries on the mounting Epstein evidence too, and that stuff he said about grabbing women by the pussies, whether they like it or not, let’s vote him in a second time!

On those 77 million that voted for him. Of course, there’s no simple answer, from poor and uneducated people that thought a billionaire convict had their interests at heart to brainwashed social media victims to religious zealots to people that just don’t give a shit about anyone else to far right extremists to… oh yeah… the extremely rich who could not give a shit about anyone else.

Sorry, I’m still not sure, are you saying because 77 million people voted for him, he can’t be that bad?

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 20:59

People who understand what Trump's doing and support him are not all right wing extremists. Many are just low-information dupes.

See, for example, how many people seem to think Charlie Kirk was a defender of free speech when, to people who actually pay attention to the news, he was a fascist authoritarian who actively participated in an attempt to overthrow democracy.

I actually believe that many people genuinely believe the "free speech warrior" lie. They aren't extremists, just ingorant.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:02

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 20:17

You put 77m Americans in the camp of extreme right because they voted for Trump!? His conviction was for tax offences no worse than Angela Reyner’s, and his offences against women, grave as they were, are likely far less than our former pedo loving US ambassador- who is life long Labour Party royalty. I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t regard all his supporters as far right nutters, just the fringe. I also see that despite the mistakes both Reyner and Mandelson made, both probably cared about UK and wanted to do the best for the country, although given their mistakes they needed to leave office. But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies. Trump must = right wing crazy. That’s why the left are always so angry about everything - it must suck.

But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies
Do you ever take the time to dwell on what you've written?

Edit to add, its also pretty wild that you'd label Mandelson a "paedo lover" without acknowledging that Trump himself was extremely close to Epstien, that there is significant evidence that Trump raped at least one child, and may even have been actively involved in sex trafficking.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 21:07

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:02

But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies
Do you ever take the time to dwell on what you've written?

Edit to add, its also pretty wild that you'd label Mandelson a "paedo lover" without acknowledging that Trump himself was extremely close to Epstien, that there is significant evidence that Trump raped at least one child, and may even have been actively involved in sex trafficking.

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Wait, wait! I’m sure I know the answer to this, I have it on the tip of my tongue!

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 21:30

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:40

There has been a study done on that particular paper and its simoky wrong as it counted all the BLM riots and most of the leftist violence as no political when it was. I'm sorry but this isn't really debatable. Political violence is a trademark almost exclusively for the left.

I'm sorry, but since you provide no specifics, I'm skeptical about the "study" you cite.

I'm even more skeptical because I've run across a lot of things termed "BLM riots" that are nothing of the sort - not to mention all the Trumpy wild exaggerations, such as saying Dem rioters burned a city to the ground.

And, on top of of that, I'm even more skeptical that you seem to conflate supposed "riots" which have been the natural result of too many people in a combustible situation with violence and violent rhetoric which is very specifically targeted.
This includes some actual transcripts of calls to a Dem New York mayoral candidate, threats from Texas, on the other side of the country:
TEXAS MAN CHARGED WITH MAKING TERRORISTIC THREATS AS A HATE CRIME AGAINST NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND MAYORAL CANDIDATE - OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY QUEENS COUNTY

So, sorry, I'm not giving your idea much credence.

Hiddenmnetter · 19/09/2025 21:34

I agree OP. The breakdown of the recognition of common ground is the breakdown of our political discourse. Any origin of discourse that begins by emphasising the differences is only going to degenerate rapidly.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:45

In the US, about 95% of political violence and political killings, as between the left and the right, come from the right.

Anyone who tries to pretend political violence is a left wing phenomenon is a liar, plain and simple.

Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers
MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 21:46

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:45

In the US, about 95% of political violence and political killings, as between the left and the right, come from the right.

Anyone who tries to pretend political violence is a left wing phenomenon is a liar, plain and simple.

Or gullible and brainwashed enough to believe a liar.

Plastictreees · 19/09/2025 21:47

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 21:30

I'm sorry, but since you provide no specifics, I'm skeptical about the "study" you cite.

I'm even more skeptical because I've run across a lot of things termed "BLM riots" that are nothing of the sort - not to mention all the Trumpy wild exaggerations, such as saying Dem rioters burned a city to the ground.

And, on top of of that, I'm even more skeptical that you seem to conflate supposed "riots" which have been the natural result of too many people in a combustible situation with violence and violent rhetoric which is very specifically targeted.
This includes some actual transcripts of calls to a Dem New York mayoral candidate, threats from Texas, on the other side of the country:
TEXAS MAN CHARGED WITH MAKING TERRORISTIC THREATS AS A HATE CRIME AGAINST NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND MAYORAL CANDIDATE - OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY QUEENS COUNTY

So, sorry, I'm not giving your idea much credence.

Probably for the best.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/09/2025 23:07

Left wingers love wind farms.
Right wingers love Elon Musk.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 19/09/2025 23:12

hamstersarse · 17/09/2025 16:27

The thing that makes the left worse is their hypocrisy

They preach and virtue signal, then when it comes to it, they are just nasty

A test you can do for yourself on this is to say to people you support Trump, or even that you "don't mind Trump". Just see what awful nastiness you receive.

I was on the left for most of my life but I grew up and the right weren't particularly nasty about that - more piss taking, But WOW, the moment you say you support conservative values, you won't believe what happens. People won't talk to you, call you all sorts of insults - it is unbelievable.

It is also why there is a 'silent majority' - a well known phenomenon that people on the right stay quiet as it is the left that are the awful nasty and vicious lot

He's a rapist. He was convicted of it. Yeah, of course people judge anyone who says they like him. He's been convicted of over 30 felonies.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 23:16

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/09/2025 23:07

Left wingers love wind farms.
Right wingers love Elon Musk.

Left wingers love wind farms.
Right wingers love Elon Musk.
Left wingers don’t grease palms
Right wingers don’t street busk

Left wingers hate hanging flags
Right wingers like Farage

Can we continue? 😆

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 23:18

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:45

In the US, about 95% of political violence and political killings, as between the left and the right, come from the right.

Anyone who tries to pretend political violence is a left wing phenomenon is a liar, plain and simple.

Thank you so much, @ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit. Great illustration.