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Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

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Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:33

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 14:23

Wow. That's one of the most blatant downplaying of Jan 6 violence I've seen for a while. But we've all seen the video. And I note you are completely ignoring the other instances of right-wing violence I listed.

Is Disingenuous your middle name or something?

And no, no one is saying there are no instances of individuals committing political violence. This is about the rhetoric and reality of systemic violence and political discourse.

No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual. You have to go no further that this very forum to find a general sense of glee amongst left wing members over the death of a well loved Christian family man with zero criminal past and a charitable life and outlook. It doesn't compare. Come on at least have the decency to concede that the two aren't comparable

llizzie · 19/09/2025 14:34

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 08:20

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

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You are wrong. You are inciting violence if you say that anyone loyal to their country is as evil as Hitler and Mussolini.

They lost. The word only describes them. It is wicked to ascribe the same to people who love their country.

You are wrong. If anyone is making minorities feel unsafe it is you. Minorities do not have to come to Britain. If they feel unsafe it is more the fault of people like you who are telling them they should be unsafe because they are vulnerable to an ideology which does not exist in the west.

Absentosaur · 19/09/2025 14:39

The Labour Party at the moment especially, are awful. They’ve always been sexist and misogynistic. See link a couple of years old but it shows us what nasty people the current Labour Party includes. Though thankfully LRM has long gone now.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

The Labour Party has a woman problem

I know how it feels to be in an abusive relationship

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 14:42

'No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual.'

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/bigots-and-white-supremacists-celebrate-anniversary-george-floyds-murder

Kirk's past remarks About Floyd
In the aftermath of Floyd's death, Charlie Kirk made several controversial remarks that have resurfaced following his own death. Kirk referred to Floyd as a "scumbag" during a 2021 event, a comment that was widely criticised. He also suggested that Floyd died from a drug overdose and promoted disputed claims about the medical examiner's findings.

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 15:38

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 14:42

'No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual.'

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/bigots-and-white-supremacists-celebrate-anniversary-george-floyds-murder

Kirk's past remarks About Floyd
In the aftermath of Floyd's death, Charlie Kirk made several controversial remarks that have resurfaced following his own death. Kirk referred to Floyd as a "scumbag" during a 2021 event, a comment that was widely criticised. He also suggested that Floyd died from a drug overdose and promoted disputed claims about the medical examiner's findings.

OK I'm not celebrating his death, that's never positive, but unrelated to his death it's difficult to describe him as anything other than a drug addicted violent criminal. That's who he was! I'm not glad he died as there's no celebration linked to the right wing at all!!

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 15:54

Did you read the attached article?

To say there was no celebration of Floyd's death is incorrect

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 15:56

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 15:54

Did you read the attached article?

To say there was no celebration of Floyd's death is incorrect

Why have you linked that to the right though I didn't say no celebration I said the right didn't celebrate it.
That's a article about less than 2000 individual jokes they are not geefully celebrating

Plastictreees · 19/09/2025 16:00

‘well loved Christian family man with zero criminal past and a charitable life and outlook’

Kirk was a racist, misogynistic bigot. Those who idolise him are the same.

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 16:02

Ah, so it was the left writing the celebratory tweets about Floyd's death - gotcha.

I tried to some pictures of some blokes gleefully re-enacting George Floyd's murder, but they didn't post - possibly because the pictures didn't meet MN guidelines, understandable, because they were horrible..

Do you actually believe no-one celebrated Floyd's death or is it just faux disingenuousness on your part?

dwordle · 19/09/2025 16:11

It's depends what you call left and right....if you are talking about extremists id argue both. The united march was pretty ugly on the whole....a lot of racist people behaving very badly. Of course you'll see moderate people going along with because they have made to believe it's about uniting the country...when In reality it was about dividing it.

People counter protesting are equally wrong because its just aggravating.

People wanting a return to some Anglo Saxon era are living in fiction. It's never going to happen and it never really existed. British means a mix and you either accept that or live in fiction.

Barbadossunset · 19/09/2025 16:20

Overtheatlantic · 17/09/2025 16:38
The left have never been and will never be as bad as the right. Their values are completely different

Absolutely! Look at Pol Pot, Stalin, Honecker, Mao. Perfect poppets all of them.

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 16:22

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 16:02

Ah, so it was the left writing the celebratory tweets about Floyd's death - gotcha.

I tried to some pictures of some blokes gleefully re-enacting George Floyd's murder, but they didn't post - possibly because the pictures didn't meet MN guidelines, understandable, because they were horrible..

Do you actually believe no-one celebrated Floyd's death or is it just faux disingenuousness on your part?

Sorry edited, replied to the wrong person 😵‍💫

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 16:25

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:33

And no, no one is saying there are no instances of individuals committing political violence. This is about the rhetoric and reality of systemic violence and political discourse.

No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual. You have to go no further that this very forum to find a general sense of glee amongst left wing members over the death of a well loved Christian family man with zero criminal past and a charitable life and outlook. It doesn't compare. Come on at least have the decency to concede that the two aren't comparable

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"No one celebrated the death of George Floyd". That is so blatantly, painfully, demonstrably untrue.

It's clear that you're not even pretending to engage in a genuine discussion here. It's pointless even trying to have a discussion with you because you're just making stuff up as you go along. You're done.

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 16:35

llizzie · 19/09/2025 14:34

You are wrong. You are inciting violence if you say that anyone loyal to their country is as evil as Hitler and Mussolini.

They lost. The word only describes them. It is wicked to ascribe the same to people who love their country.

You are wrong. If anyone is making minorities feel unsafe it is you. Minorities do not have to come to Britain. If they feel unsafe it is more the fault of people like you who are telling them they should be unsafe because they are vulnerable to an ideology which does not exist in the west.

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Where did I say that anyone loyal to their country is as evil as Hitler ?? That’s an absolutely wild and is a weird take. Like I said, I myself, am very loyal to my country and that is part of the reason I hate seeing these fascist flag marches with vile racism, thuggery, violence and harassment of women. Draped in the flags of my country, how dare they? This is not what my grandfather fought to protect. These people aren’t doing this because they love their country, it’s more about the hatred of minorities. As for me being the one who makes minorities unsafe, and not the ones hurling abuse and violence, I’ll leave you to your word salad. It made no sense to me 😂😵‍💫

R0ckandHardPlace · 19/09/2025 16:47

hamstersarse · 17/09/2025 17:55

How about d) You want to stop illegal immigration

It's that simple for many people who went on the march.

Do you not want to stop illegal immigration?

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But that’s like going on a Pro-Hitler rally and then claiming you only attended because you like what he did with the motorways.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 17:05

R0ckandHardPlace · 19/09/2025 16:47

But that’s like going on a Pro-Hitler rally and then claiming you only attended because you like what he did with the motorways.

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There’s a lot of that sentiment around these days, although to take it further I’d say the version of those people now are starting to not just agree with the ‘motorways’, they seem to be enjoying validating each other further and further. It disgusts me.

llizzie · 19/09/2025 17:43

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 08:20

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

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Obviously you agree that anyone with the Union flag is on a par with Hitler and the nazi flag. Such statements could incite anyone against authority to attack people who show the union flag, including the PM who is flanked by one each time he addresses the nation or goes to a meeting with other heads of countries, and each time there is a British celebration.

Your post is inciting people to go against anyone who has a union flag in their hands or flown from their house. Does that include PM Starmer, who is flanked by them, has the union flag at all the celebrations and overseas visits.

You hate the union flag and the English flag, yet not the Scottish cross of St Andrew or the Welsh dragon? Why? Your hatred of anything British is strange. Even worse is your attempt to make others agree with you

Hitler had the nazi flag flying everywhere. He was wicked, evil in what he did. His book, Mein Kampf is banned, yet this poster accuses anyone they consider ''far right'' to ban all books but that. Where is the evidence for that? Even if it were not so, and someone had a copy, what then?

Why would anyone want to justify attacking anyone supporting their country?

How dare you say that the British are attacking the muslims, compared with Hitler who killed Jews? Are you implying that anyone showing the union flag wants to kill muslims? Why? It isn't true, and certainly not fascism.

Is it the fault of Christendom that most of the terrorists are Islamic extremist? Is it the fault of Christendom that muslims are illegally entering Britain? They are escaping persecution, in a muslim sharia law country, why would they come here if the British were wanting to kill them all? Britain is the last place they would want to come to.

Why would anyone in a democratic west be against muslims in the same way Hitler was against Jews? He was also against disabled Germans, gypsies and other nationalities. He killed them too, but he convinced himself and the nation that the Jews held all the wealth in the country, and were responsible for the Wall Street crash and convinced them that if they were eliminated, they would be richer and stronger. He even gave their companies away. To liken British and American nationals to Hitler can surely only bring people to act and repeat the Kirk killing, and the British MPs who have been murdered for their beliefs by people who opposed them. What do you hope to gain by it?

Who is a fascist today in the same way that Hitler was? Why would you keep insisting that western political parties kill for capital? If you don't like the PM because he has the union flag beside him and must be fascist, do you think your accusations might make someone kill him too for honouring the union flag so he must be fascist too?

You do not mention Charlie Kirk by name, but you referred to Jimmy Kimmel who made a direct comment about the murder. Kimmel accused the President on the United States of capitalising on the murder, among other accusations.

What you have posted is similar in that you are also making capital out of the murder of Charlie Kirk, by insisting he and the President are fascists and therefore deserve it, and taking advantage of the thread to stir up resentment. To imply that the American President would kill one supporter to gain more is abhorrent.

He was banned from broadcasting, because his words were considered to be inciting, appearing to agree with the murder. What he said was wrong, because it implies that the killer was justified in what he did. That could incite others to do the same. His murder could be the start of many more. Are you suggesting that people are actually killing their own supporters to get capital from it?

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 18:12

llizzie · 19/09/2025 17:43

Obviously you agree that anyone with the Union flag is on a par with Hitler and the nazi flag. Such statements could incite anyone against authority to attack people who show the union flag, including the PM who is flanked by one each time he addresses the nation or goes to a meeting with other heads of countries, and each time there is a British celebration.

Your post is inciting people to go against anyone who has a union flag in their hands or flown from their house. Does that include PM Starmer, who is flanked by them, has the union flag at all the celebrations and overseas visits.

You hate the union flag and the English flag, yet not the Scottish cross of St Andrew or the Welsh dragon? Why? Your hatred of anything British is strange. Even worse is your attempt to make others agree with you

Hitler had the nazi flag flying everywhere. He was wicked, evil in what he did. His book, Mein Kampf is banned, yet this poster accuses anyone they consider ''far right'' to ban all books but that. Where is the evidence for that? Even if it were not so, and someone had a copy, what then?

Why would anyone want to justify attacking anyone supporting their country?

How dare you say that the British are attacking the muslims, compared with Hitler who killed Jews? Are you implying that anyone showing the union flag wants to kill muslims? Why? It isn't true, and certainly not fascism.

Is it the fault of Christendom that most of the terrorists are Islamic extremist? Is it the fault of Christendom that muslims are illegally entering Britain? They are escaping persecution, in a muslim sharia law country, why would they come here if the British were wanting to kill them all? Britain is the last place they would want to come to.

Why would anyone in a democratic west be against muslims in the same way Hitler was against Jews? He was also against disabled Germans, gypsies and other nationalities. He killed them too, but he convinced himself and the nation that the Jews held all the wealth in the country, and were responsible for the Wall Street crash and convinced them that if they were eliminated, they would be richer and stronger. He even gave their companies away. To liken British and American nationals to Hitler can surely only bring people to act and repeat the Kirk killing, and the British MPs who have been murdered for their beliefs by people who opposed them. What do you hope to gain by it?

Who is a fascist today in the same way that Hitler was? Why would you keep insisting that western political parties kill for capital? If you don't like the PM because he has the union flag beside him and must be fascist, do you think your accusations might make someone kill him too for honouring the union flag so he must be fascist too?

You do not mention Charlie Kirk by name, but you referred to Jimmy Kimmel who made a direct comment about the murder. Kimmel accused the President on the United States of capitalising on the murder, among other accusations.

What you have posted is similar in that you are also making capital out of the murder of Charlie Kirk, by insisting he and the President are fascists and therefore deserve it, and taking advantage of the thread to stir up resentment. To imply that the American President would kill one supporter to gain more is abhorrent.

He was banned from broadcasting, because his words were considered to be inciting, appearing to agree with the murder. What he said was wrong, because it implies that the killer was justified in what he did. That could incite others to do the same. His murder could be the start of many more. Are you suggesting that people are actually killing their own supporters to get capital from it?

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You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I absolutely didn’t say nor are anything near my beliefs. You’ve made some massive leaps and have landed so far away from reality it’s honestly staggering. I’ll leave all of your slander though because obvious to anyone who’s read my comments that I didn’t say any of that. So I’m not rising to your nonsense make believe bullshit.

Let’s stick to facts. Kimmel literally said about Kirk “The Maga gang (is) desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it.” Kimmel did mock Trump's personal response to Kirk's death (Trump had described Kirk as a friend but quickly pivoted to boasting about a new White House ballroom when asked how he was holding up), saying: “This is not how an adult grieves the murder of somebody called a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish.”

How is this inciting or supporting the murder? Simply, it’s not. You are demanding that everyone is sad for a man that laughed at babies dying in Gaza. I don’t condone Kirks murder but I absolutely don’t have to be sad about it. The two things are not mutually exclusive, stop trying to make them so. And stop desperately trying to accuse me of incitement because I am critical of the racist thugs in the flag March.

readingmakesmehappy · 19/09/2025 18:20

JustSawJohnny · 17/09/2025 16:55

Hard disagree.

Not one of my right leaning friends have received hate messages after making comments on SM.

Every one of the leftie group regularly get DMs telling us to shut up, with name calling and often making threats of rape or attacks.

This is very much my experience and that of my friends. If you don’t subscribe to every belief strand in the omnicause, or are seen to work in a job that is ‘too capitalist’, the abuse from some parts of the left can be appalling.

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 18:29

llizzie · 19/09/2025 17:43

Obviously you agree that anyone with the Union flag is on a par with Hitler and the nazi flag. Such statements could incite anyone against authority to attack people who show the union flag, including the PM who is flanked by one each time he addresses the nation or goes to a meeting with other heads of countries, and each time there is a British celebration.

Your post is inciting people to go against anyone who has a union flag in their hands or flown from their house. Does that include PM Starmer, who is flanked by them, has the union flag at all the celebrations and overseas visits.

You hate the union flag and the English flag, yet not the Scottish cross of St Andrew or the Welsh dragon? Why? Your hatred of anything British is strange. Even worse is your attempt to make others agree with you

Hitler had the nazi flag flying everywhere. He was wicked, evil in what he did. His book, Mein Kampf is banned, yet this poster accuses anyone they consider ''far right'' to ban all books but that. Where is the evidence for that? Even if it were not so, and someone had a copy, what then?

Why would anyone want to justify attacking anyone supporting their country?

How dare you say that the British are attacking the muslims, compared with Hitler who killed Jews? Are you implying that anyone showing the union flag wants to kill muslims? Why? It isn't true, and certainly not fascism.

Is it the fault of Christendom that most of the terrorists are Islamic extremist? Is it the fault of Christendom that muslims are illegally entering Britain? They are escaping persecution, in a muslim sharia law country, why would they come here if the British were wanting to kill them all? Britain is the last place they would want to come to.

Why would anyone in a democratic west be against muslims in the same way Hitler was against Jews? He was also against disabled Germans, gypsies and other nationalities. He killed them too, but he convinced himself and the nation that the Jews held all the wealth in the country, and were responsible for the Wall Street crash and convinced them that if they were eliminated, they would be richer and stronger. He even gave their companies away. To liken British and American nationals to Hitler can surely only bring people to act and repeat the Kirk killing, and the British MPs who have been murdered for their beliefs by people who opposed them. What do you hope to gain by it?

Who is a fascist today in the same way that Hitler was? Why would you keep insisting that western political parties kill for capital? If you don't like the PM because he has the union flag beside him and must be fascist, do you think your accusations might make someone kill him too for honouring the union flag so he must be fascist too?

You do not mention Charlie Kirk by name, but you referred to Jimmy Kimmel who made a direct comment about the murder. Kimmel accused the President on the United States of capitalising on the murder, among other accusations.

What you have posted is similar in that you are also making capital out of the murder of Charlie Kirk, by insisting he and the President are fascists and therefore deserve it, and taking advantage of the thread to stir up resentment. To imply that the American President would kill one supporter to gain more is abhorrent.

He was banned from broadcasting, because his words were considered to be inciting, appearing to agree with the murder. What he said was wrong, because it implies that the killer was justified in what he did. That could incite others to do the same. His murder could be the start of many more. Are you suggesting that people are actually killing their own supporters to get capital from it?

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To clarify on my comments about books and Mein Kampf. I was referring to the removal of books by the Trump administration, books they felt didn’t align with their beliefs and included Maya Angelous Caged Bird. Interestingly they didn’t remove Mein Kampf.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dei-purge-holocaust-book-maya-angelou-memoir-pulled-from-naval-academy-library/

Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers
llizzie · 19/09/2025 18:30

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 18:12

You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I absolutely didn’t say nor are anything near my beliefs. You’ve made some massive leaps and have landed so far away from reality it’s honestly staggering. I’ll leave all of your slander though because obvious to anyone who’s read my comments that I didn’t say any of that. So I’m not rising to your nonsense make believe bullshit.

Let’s stick to facts. Kimmel literally said about Kirk “The Maga gang (is) desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it.” Kimmel did mock Trump's personal response to Kirk's death (Trump had described Kirk as a friend but quickly pivoted to boasting about a new White House ballroom when asked how he was holding up), saying: “This is not how an adult grieves the murder of somebody called a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish.”

How is this inciting or supporting the murder? Simply, it’s not. You are demanding that everyone is sad for a man that laughed at babies dying in Gaza. I don’t condone Kirks murder but I absolutely don’t have to be sad about it. The two things are not mutually exclusive, stop trying to make them so. And stop desperately trying to accuse me of incitement because I am critical of the racist thugs in the flag March.

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That is my response to your horrific post, suggesting that the American President is capitalising on the murder of a young man - a young family man - who was murdered for his beliefs. If it is not inciting murder, why would he be removed from the American TV? Should he, then, be able to continue to attack the American government? If he doesn't like the president, he will have the opportunity to change him in four years, just as we shall have the opportunity to change our government. It is how democracy works. Killing political opponents is not.

Kimmel accused the President of making good publicity from the murder. If you do not agree with my understanding of why you including this 'comedian' in your post, why did you, unless to get a dig at authorities you consider to be 'fascist'?

You think I am the only one who thinks that? What words have I put into your mouth? Did I mention dying Gazan babies? I did not. I have shown concern for those people who have been radicalised to the Hamas cause. Perhaps you would understand more if you had been up close to terrorists yourself?

Thousands of people, including the elderly, were persuaded to join an organisation which has attacked one of our military bases. It is easy to radicalise the elderly to the Hamas cause. It has nothing to do with babies, or any Palestinian. It is to do with control, and if Hamas wins control, then there will be Islamic fundamentalists all over the world who will do the same, and the UN has dug it's own grave, because if it supports Hamas now, it will support Hamas et al across the world, not just in the Middle East, but South America where they are active.

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 18:31

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 12:02

The majority of the left did none of those things you accuse them of. It's only maybe 0.1% of the far, far left. Or, in other words, you pointed to extremism to smear an entire mass group.

Thanks for showing your double standard.

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I disagree with your percentages - if you look at the numbers involved from left wing in online petitions to “cancel” people or get people sacked or removed etc it’s a far greater number than the fringe lunatics. Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the mainstream left party not so long ago and he’s so far left of centre he’s a Hamas supporter! He attracts far more than 0.1%.

llizzie · 19/09/2025 18:33

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 18:29

To clarify on my comments about books and Mein Kampf. I was referring to the removal of books by the Trump administration, books they felt didn’t align with their beliefs and included Maya Angelous Caged Bird. Interestingly they didn’t remove Mein Kampf.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dei-purge-holocaust-book-maya-angelou-memoir-pulled-from-naval-academy-library/

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I am completely unimpressed. I haven't the slightest intention of wading through all that stuff.

It will not change my opinion.