Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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Yet you still deny his views are racist.

That poster is determined to live up to his username.

How could you not watch this and see what a beautiful thing that is. They are literally discussing an ideal marriage. I don't understand the obsessive need for control and power that some women have. Not only do I not understand it but I don't see how that obsession will play into a happy marriage when all of life's twists and turns such as child birth and child rearing come into play. We know for a fact that for any relationship to stand a chance of success, in general, there needs to be a leader. Is it just coincidence that every airplane must have a captain and a co-pilot? This doesn't mean they don't get along or that one is better than the other. Its a means of preventing chaos ensuing and provides order and roles that each one must do in order for that thing to work.

So in a marriage which is a similar relationship. It works best when both parties understand their roles. I'm sure no one is claiming Charlie Kirk is a violent, controlling abuser, least of all his wife, whos actually just forgiven the monster that assassinated her husband in cold blood, because that's what Charlie would have wanted!

So you'll have to excuse me if I draw a clear line and believe the views of someone like that over some on here who still think he needed silenced by any means possible.

I can only go by my own family, but what nonsense.

My parents have been happily married for nearly 50 years and my grandparents (on both sides) had been happily married for nearly 70 years before they died, so I have witnessed first hand some long happy marriages.

My mother and both grandmothers have always been very strong, very outspoken, highly educated women with amazing careers neither of whom has ever submitted to their husbands or left the "complicated men work" to them. Their ability to rear children did in no way affect their brains or strong characters. My dad and grandfathers have also been very highly educated and successful in their careers but have never expected their wives to be meek "wifeys" being led by a Captain who somehow had to control the ship. In fact, they all thought of their wives as highly intelligent equals and were always a team!

What do you mean by a leader in a marriage? DH and I have been happily married nearly 30 years and we’ve never had a leader in our relationship.

Of course it’s nonsense. Most people strive for equal partnerships in marriage, not one person being a leader - whatever that means. In the case of Kirk, he wanted women to ‘submit’ to their husbands. I wouldn’t want to base my ideals on a racist, misogynistic bigot personally but each to their own.

Demonic forces at work.

What are you waffling about? “We” do not know there for a fact there must be a leader in a relationship - you might believe that, it doesn’t make it a fact.

The plane analogy is just silly… co-pilots will take a promotion to captain as soon as they're offered one.

The problem with that whole conversation and your post is the assumption that there is a right way to do marriage and other people should do it the way you want.

If you want to be a subordinate to your husband, you do you, but I prefer an equal partnership and it’s doing fine, 30 years in… why in the world would do you think people get to tell other people how to work their relationships?

Have people on this thread said “he needed silenced by any means possible” ?!!! I‘m getting very fed up with the right wing conflation that not being sad about Kirk’s death means that you wanted him murdered. The two things are absolutely not mutually inclusive. Please provide evidence that anyone on this thread has been saying he needed silenced by any means possible ( murdered presumably). Perhaps I missed it.

As far as I am concerned, if you want to submit to your husband - fine, your life, your decision- you make that choice. Don’t force this into law or tell our daughters that they must do the same. It’s deeply concerning to me that he expounds female dependency and reliance, stripping away the importance of female education. This can be seen in the video of him talking to a 14 year old
girl who asks him about college, he encourages her to view higher education not as a pathway to personal or professional development but primarily as an opportunity to find a suitable husband. 🤢

Do all the people on here who are calling Charlie Kirk abhorrent etc. believe trans women are women?

No 🤷‍♀️

I don't have to be a racist misogynist to believe in biology. These views are not mutually exclusive.

What an odd question.

Thanks so much to @Plastictreees@TheClaaaw@CantCallItLove @tabulahrasa@Circularmadnessand the other sane posters for valiantly dealing with the, well, circular madness on this thread. Gruelling, but heartening to see. The rest of you - I despair. I really do. (@TheClaaaw, looove your name😍)

Why is it odd?

It is the Charlie Kirk belief (title of the thread) that trans women are not women that got him killed

@hamstersarse agree it’s not odd at all. A lot of the accusations against Charlie Kirk centre on his “misogyny “ and yet there’s not much that’s more misogynistic than believing that womanhood is simply a costume.

No accusations. Facts. Kirk was a misogynistic, racist bigot irrespective of his views on the trans debate.

He wasn't. Fact.

Anyway, are trans women, women?

Hitler invested in building roads infrastructure in Germany and this significantly influenced industrial development there, it's still one of the foundations of German economic success. Hitler was right in this case. It doesn't change the fact that the world would have been a much better place without him.

The same applies to Kirk - even if we can agree with his view of trans people, it doesn't remove the fact that he was a misogynistic, racist bigot.

ETA: don't you see how dangerous he was? Anyone with half of brain cell knows that most women don't support trans ideology. So he decided to side with majority of women on this small issue which doesn't affect too many of us, at least not on a regular basis, but then bite on life critical things like "submission to husband", "ban of abortions", "stay at home and raise kids" etc etc, which affects every single one of us and takes away our freedom.

Oh please. This sexist drivel went out decades ago.

I'm sure no one is claiming Charlie Kirk is a violent, controlling abuser, least of all his wife, whos actually just forgiven the monster that assassinated her husband in cold blood, because that's what Charlie would have wanted!

😂😂😂if a father of my child told that in case my 10yo daughter was raped and got pregnant he'd insisted on carrying on that pregnancy... I'd certainly forgive his killer.

What she said.

So you'll have to excuse me if I draw a clear line and believe the views of someone like that over some on here who still think he needed silenced by any means possible.

@Alicealig no one on here has said that.

No.

I’m also aware that trans people are 5 times less likely to be assassins than any other group. So Trump and his admin jumping to make assignations, generally, a ‘loonie left trans’ issue is nonsense.

He did have awful aspects to his beliefs, and although of course no decent person thinks he should have been murdered - but there's a growing problem in modern society where the many dissenters have no way of combatting the "bad guys" who have power, money, and fanatical followers.

Absolutely. It’s unbelievable how many women are defending his misogyny.