Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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Nothing but pity for you, I wish I could help you.

"All pilots must meet objective standards to obtain their flying licences, achieve the required scores in safety tests continuously to be allowed to continue to fly, and have the same number of hours of flying experience before they are allowed to fly passenger jets. Objective tests with recorded flight data are applied rigorously to all pilots and take no regard whatsoever of the colour of their skin, eyes, hair or any other body part."

That's my point - in every career there are objective standards that everyone has to meet regardless of their skin colour in order to get their professional qualification, I completely agree.

However, just because everyone meets those criteria that doesn't mean they are are equal in their abilities, skills, competence, experience, knowledge etc (i.e the example I gave about nursing degrees and qualifications). All it means is that they all met the REQUIRED MINIMUM standard. I'm sure there will be a whole spectrum ranging from those who met the minimum required standard (academic wise) and those who excelled, and I'm making this statement for the majority of careers and professional qualifications, not just pilots.

When it comes or any professional degree, qualification (or piloting licence), just because everyone 'qualified or passed' that doesn't mean they are all completely equal and on par with each other in terms of their knowledge, comprehension, skills, experiences and abilities etc.

Like I said, if every pilot was on par with every other qualified pilot and the fact that they had the professional qualification was all that mattered, there'd be no need for any kind of interview process would there? Surely the airlines could just chuck every applicant's name in a hat and give a job to the first 5 names they pulled out if nothing else matters apart from the qualification?

Charlie Kirk was not saying that black pilots are not as well qualified or as safe to fly the plane, of course they are, he was just making the point that the best person for the job should not be determined by skin colour, it should be based on all the factors I've mentioned above.

I need help, for not being a racist, misogynist, bigot?

Okay dear. Enjoy your hate filled non life.

Seriously, try reaching out to Jesus, he may help you a lot quicker than you'd ever think possible.

I'll say a prayer for you.

This is truly an awful scenario. The solution to which could never possibly be, let's kill her baby too?

All of this, over a hypothetical 10 year old.

Does the 10 year old get a say in what happens, hypothetically?

I see. So the children who are not hypothetical who are raped and end up pregnant should be subjected to this because the discussion itself was held in hypothetical terms so as to not name specific chuld abuse victims whom Kirk’s proposed policy would have affected to date, given that they (rightly) are granted anonymity by the courts as abused minors?

If you wish for concrete evidence from children who are not existing abuse victims and therefore protected by court granted anonymity, and please provide a link to your survey of ten year old girls stating that the majority would wish to be made to give birth to baby of a man who raped them?

It’s also disturbing that you think a ten year old should have to make such a decision at all and this indicates that you do not recognise that minors need adults to protect them from abuse, which is the same kind of viewpoint advocated by paedphiles.

Your entire premise is hypothetical, not to mention hysterical.

If a child is attacked like this tomorrow, god forbid, then Charlie Kirk's thoughts about what should happen have no relevance.

You're starting to get really twisted now.

How very unpleasant that you find such topics “hysterical”.

Kirk was trying to have his views about subjugation of women, racism, homophobia and child abuse enacted into US law so that everyone was forced to comply with them, as has been detailed many times in the thread if you had bothered to read it. So I’m afraid it had a great deal of relevance and is precisely why posters have been challenging his disgusting and abusive “views”.

Yet people like you want to defend this.

It isn’t me that’s twisted.

Exactly.

Just because Charlie had his personal views on termination (regardless of he circumstances of the conception), in real life no 10 year old will ever be forced to carry a baby.

I doubt his thoughts and belief will ever become a legal reality.

So this thread has descended into satire, with an unhinged poster claiming that people are ‘satanic’ for NOT endorsing forced abortions. And for not supporting a misogynistic, racist bigot like Kirk.

Not a logical or coherent argument in sight. I don’t want to continue engaging with racism deniers and extremists that seem to have taken over MN over the past week.

That’s quite enough for me today.

“Her baby”? This isn’t a woman deciding to have a baby, it is a discussion about a child made pregnant by rape from a peadophile. We’re talking about a ten year old child and an unconscious cluster of cells inside a conscious, traumatised ten year old actual living, breathing child who has been raped and you advocate putting through an enforced pregnancy and risk to her own life to give birth to the child of her rapist and become a mother aged ten?

These situations are not hypothetical: they occur. These are real, raped ten year olds that you are advocating have pregnancy and birth of their rapist’s child forced on them and that their parents’ right to prevent this is removed - as Kirk wanted - so that they are enforced to inflict this further abuse on the traumatised ten year old and risk her dying or suffering further permanent physical harm (far magnified risks of this when a child in their little tiny body is forced to carry and pregnancy and give birth, aside from the psychological impact this would have).

Disgusting.

Nobody’s said anything about murdering any babies, except for you.

If you don’t know what the point is when it’s been explained to you so very clearly then you clearly are not discussing this in good faith.

Let us guess, another man by any chance, “Alice”?

Same here. Absolutely vile responses making similar arguments to those employed by paedophiles to support their abuse of minors. I hope most posters will see this for exactly what it is. It’s sickening. There’s only so much of that anybody can endure in one day and continue to attempt to respond to politely.

How naive. It is the legal reality in some US states containing many people like Mr Kirk and he was trying to have this enforced child abuse mandated in ALL US states. He also stated explicitly that he’d enforce this abuse on his own daughter if she was raped as a ten year old.

What a great guy, huh?

You do realise that in some US states an abortion is banned under any circumstances ?

You seem to be misunderstanding the comments made by Charlie Kirk.

United Airlines had a policy in 2021 that 50% of new pilots being hired had to be female or people of colour. By reducing the talent pool of applicants through introducing an irrelevant selection criteria of skin colour or sex rather than selecting the simply best candidates based on skill and ability you will end up overall with lower quality pilots than if you had access to the entire talent pool.

American Airlines for example had no such DEI policy so it would be safe to say that their black or female pilots got the job purely on ability and skills.

The key question is do you think that skin colour or sex has anything to do with an ability to fly a passenger jet. If yes then I would say that is a racist or sexist view. If not then why is there a need to have it as a selection criteria.

To be blunt if my flight runs into heavy turbulence at 20,000 feet then I really really don't care about the skin colour or sex of the pilot. What I want is the best possible pilot at the controls.

And saying "well they all had to pass the same tests" is like saying all qualified doctors or accountants or dentists are the same when the reality is that there are good and bad doctors, accountants or dentists.

In some US states an abortion is banned under any circumstances- a doctor won’t perform it

He stated if he got onto a plane with a black pilot he’d be worried if they were qualified to fly the plane safely.

Please explain why he’d legitimately worry about this given all pilots have to pass the same objective level of training and safety standards and you and your ilk and Kirk, unsurprisingly, have been able to produce any data showing black pilots are subject to lower safety standards or objective tests of competence or have inferior safety records?

Without this it’s just very basic and obvious racism.

We’re all waiting for your data proving otherwise.

You don't class a pregnancy as a baby and that's fine. You are entitled to your belief.

Charlie, and many millions of other people around the world, do class pregnancies as a baby which is why they don't agree with abortion, and that's their belief.

You think you're right, and they think they're right.

People are allowed to have different beliefs.

Charlie could have shouted from the rooftops all he liked and for as long as he liked that he thought abortion should be made illegal across all States, inclusive of pregnancies occuring from children being raped, but it was never going to happen. I'm sure there will be many other people who will now try and take his place and say the exact same thing, but again, in reality I doubt it will never happen.

I just cannot fathom or comprehend how any 10 year old child could ever be forced to continue a pregnancy, especially in a rape scenario. No matter what potential abortions laws are enacted in the future, I imagine there will always be some kind of loophole that will exist to prevent such a tragic circumstance from ever being played out.

Actually that's factually incorrect. Whilst there are minimum standards for qualification as an airline pilot the actual standards vary a lot between airlines. For example Lufthansa requires 1,500 flying hours for qualification as a pilot in command whereas Ryanair only requires 800 hours.

It would therefore be my assertion that a Lufthansa pilot on average is better qualified or more experienced than a Ryanair pilot.