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Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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MsAmerica · 15/09/2025 02:29

If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes

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BananaPeels · 16/09/2025 12:32

TooTooMuchEverything · 16/09/2025 12:30

I agree it wasn’t an odious opinion. It was more like a monstrous opinion.

Ok so? I literally don’t understand your point. I don’t agree with him either on it.

BoredZelda · 16/09/2025 12:41

BananaPeels · 16/09/2025 11:58

Ok and? I thought she had deprived another person of an amazing opportunity to participate in The Olympics when she knew she wasn’t well and could have stepped back to let them have the place but didn’t which I thought was terribly unkind.

like I say we all have different views and se things different ways

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She did not know she wasn’t well. She felt she was able to compete until she had a panic attack. This is not something you can control. Would you say the same thing about the numerous athletes who have physical injuries early on in competitions?

In fact, because she withdrew completely, her team mate Jordon Chiles then had the opportunity to compete and make her Olympic debut helping bring her team to win silver. Her entire team could focus on team performance rather than the Olympics becoming about Simone’s poor performance. She did that despite knowing the backlash she would face. That takes courage and self sacrifice for the sake of her team. You might “see” things differently, but that is based on clearly not knowing the facts, I.e, just making stuff up to suit your narrative.

But in the end, someone is either saying something unkind (which Kirk did) or not. If you want to make the (false) argument that she was unkind in what she did so Kirk was allowed to say what he did, then you’ll be entirely ok with people saying unkind things about Kirk.

BoredZelda · 16/09/2025 12:46

Underthinker · 16/09/2025 12:03

If the misrepresentations are fine because they reflect views "in his wheelhouse" why did the people who make these lists, (both amateurs and journalists at places like the Guardian and buzzfeed in the OP) use the out of context ones, and not full quotes that describe his views?

The answer can only be that no quotes so extreme existed, and they didn't want to accurately portray his views, but a more extremist version of them.

I have no idea why people chose what they did. Possibly because the rush to publish meant going for his most controversial comments. It’s the same way he would clip his debates to show him “winning” instead of showing him being pulled apart. To suggest there is nothing extreme in his entire catalog is pretty wide of the mark. Why the need to re-write his history?

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 12:48

BananaPeels · 16/09/2025 12:08

Then my point is going over your head. I’ll bow out after this.

to debate someone you have to listen to their views. You have to listen and understand. Just saying your views stink, you are an unkind person gets people absolutely nowhere. I have listened to what he did, sought to understand, sought to see if I had debated him on it what arguments I would have used to explain why I think he was wrong. I think he would have listened. No doubt not changed his mind but he would have listened and that is why I liked him. If I rejected everyone I knew for one particular view they had I would have zero friends as I know no one with the exact same views as me.

people are religious. People do have views that are influenced by that whatever that religion is. If you want to ban religion then go for it and outline those views then by all means campaign for it. Until then he was and others are allowed to espouse their thoughts and articulate them without people trying to shut them down but acting as judge and jury in the moral questions of the day. who are you to
decide what is moral and what is not?- that is why we have the ballot box so the general public can elect people that best fit their views

No. Nobody “has to listen and understand” people advocating forced child abuse, particularly when those supporting this have provided no rational, moral or logical defence of their position (unsurprising given that this is quite obviously not possible) and just bleat on about “religion” like that’s an excuse: not a dissimilar stance to that of the Taliban.

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 12:59

TooTooMuchEverything · 16/09/2025 12:30

I agree it wasn’t an odious opinion. It was more like a monstrous opinion.

Apparently we’re all meant to function with such an extreme level of cognitive dissonance that we should separate the fact that a person has openly advocated for enforced child abuse from any reflection on the character of that person because their abusive “opinions” exist entirely separately to who they are as a person; opinions are just some ethereal thing floating around randomly and have nothing to do with the person who holds them, like little pollen particles that happen to get stuck to them when they are outside.

Allegedly people have no agency, and no responsibility for the deliberate harm that they cause by trying to force such appalling “opinions” into public discourse and even into law to force everyone else to participate in the abuse for which they advocate, because “religion”.

One wonders how those defending this square this circle, that apparently nobody “religious” is responsible for their actions, yet many of these same people (like the London protesters and the Farage rioters last year) allegedly are concerned about other people using their religion as an excuse to be abusive to women and girls… I suppose whether it’s acceptable to abuse girls must depend on which religion you’re using to “justify” the abuse?

It is really hard to imagine the mental gymnastics involved here. It’s similar to simultaneously claiming that this man was a champion of free speech while he advocated to remove the right for women to have any freedom of speech at all even within their own homes because they should be forced to be “subordinate to men”.

Quite clearly, it is impossible to have any kind of rational discussion with people determined to insist that this is all entirely reasonable and logically consistent and a perfectly acceptable “moral position”. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so dangerous, particularly for our daughters.

weearrows · 16/09/2025 13:01

I saw this post from Berni Sanders and thought it was really good and also quite brave of him to do considering the polarised public mood at the moment. He wants to live in a world where we can share our opposing beliefs without fear of being killed or intimidated.

This thread is a living example of what can happen when different viewpoints are shared. Instead of civil discussion it quickly turns into insults or attempts to silence the other side. I really want things to get better, to return to a time when we could ‘agree to disagree’!

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NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:07

Spookygoose · 15/09/2025 12:17

@TheClaaaw ’s post was the absolute definition of word salad! Using unnecessary, overly intellectual language like you’re writing an astro physics dissertation, on a chat forum, is such an obvious attempt to make yourself look superior to others. It doesn’t work though, it just makes you come off looking silly and like a total snob

I thought it was perfectly clear and logical!

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:08

weearrows · 16/09/2025 13:01

I saw this post from Berni Sanders and thought it was really good and also quite brave of him to do considering the polarised public mood at the moment. He wants to live in a world where we can share our opposing beliefs without fear of being killed or intimidated.

This thread is a living example of what can happen when different viewpoints are shared. Instead of civil discussion it quickly turns into insults or attempts to silence the other side. I really want things to get better, to return to a time when we could ‘agree to disagree’!

Kirk was not prepared to “agree to disagree” and practice his beliefs in private. He set up political organisations and campaigned to try to change the law to curtail the rights, protections and freedoms of others and force everyone else to comply with his beliefs.

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:09

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:07

I thought it was perfectly clear and logical!

Thank you. I am glad you and others have said the same. I’ve read it back several times and can’t see what the poster’s issue is and they have refused to explain themselves so presumably it was just another ad hominem attack to deflect attention from their inability to put forward a rational defence of their position.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 16/09/2025 13:11

BananaPeels · 16/09/2025 12:27

Yes of course and you can articulate why you think that particular view is odious of course.

doesn’t mean he as a person is. There is a difference. he wasn’t an unkind person generally just because he had a particular view you disagree with.

Ok, so if someone holds one odious opinion it doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. What about if it's two odious opinions? Or ten? What's the tipping point in number/awfulness of beliefs that someone can hold before they change from someone with some bad opinions into a bad person?

weearrows · 16/09/2025 13:14

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:08

Kirk was not prepared to “agree to disagree” and practice his beliefs in private. He set up political organisations and campaigned to try to change the law to curtail the rights, protections and freedoms of others and force everyone else to comply with his beliefs.

Oh the irony. 😂😂

BananaPeels · 16/09/2025 13:24

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 16/09/2025 13:11

Ok, so if someone holds one odious opinion it doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. What about if it's two odious opinions? Or ten? What's the tipping point in number/awfulness of beliefs that someone can hold before they change from someone with some bad opinions into a bad person?

I cant answer that as I don’t see things the way you do.

I thought that Bernie sanders video was awesome. He is articulating much better than me everything I have tried to say. I couldn’t agree more with him and I love the way he talks!

but i couldn't disagree with Bernie Sanders more on pretty much everything . I am sure we don’t have much common ground at all. So are pretty much all his opinions odious to me personally? - I suppose so. Would I want to live in a country where he was President - absolutely not!

do I think he’s a bad person? Absolutely not - he comes across as a caring and moral person. I would love to chat to him and debate ideas. Would we find common ground if we did - probably but not much but I think he’s a good person.

I would never decry because we don’t agree on much that he’s awful. That’s the difference- debating ideas and respectful discourse is wonderful. That’s what democracy is all about.

Thisistyresome · 16/09/2025 13:24

Sausagenbacon · 15/09/2025 09:28

Alistair Campbell has embarrassed himself doing the same . Surprise!

In fairness, lying about a man just shot dead in front of his wife and kids is mild for Alistair Campbell...

Some of his other lies have a far higher body count. Never sure why anyone pays to hear his opinions.

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:33

Underthinker · 15/09/2025 15:23

@TheClaaaw
You mentioned that all the Kirk quotes provided were true and you seem to believe context is irrelevant. Can I ask you about your statement from earlier today?

"women should be “subordinate” to men, defer to men, men should control all finances and women should have no financial freedom."
The Claaaw 15/09/25

I find your views frankly disappointing.

Yes if you read the transcript of Erika’s podcast s4 e6 ‘Submission is not a dirty word’ he starts to outline his views on submission there. I’ll attach some photos but read the whole thing! To be honest a LOT of conservative evangelical Christians believe the same thing, it’s not an outlier for that section of society!

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:36

Sorry, here are some photos of the transcript of Erika’s MidWeek Rise Up podcast which was Erika and Charlie talking.

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AzurePanda · 16/09/2025 13:39

The reaction from many on the left to Charlie Kirk’s murder is going to haunt them for years and keep the Democrats out of office for even longer.

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:40

weearrows · 16/09/2025 13:14

Oh the irony. 😂😂

Do you understand what irony means?

Which poster here has been campaigning to change the law to remove the rights, protections and freedoms of others to force them all to comply with their irrational religious doctrine (the criticism being levelled at Kirk)?

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:43

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:33

Yes if you read the transcript of Erika’s podcast s4 e6 ‘Submission is not a dirty word’ he starts to outline his views on submission there. I’ll attach some photos but read the whole thing! To be honest a LOT of conservative evangelical Christians believe the same thing, it’s not an outlier for that section of society!

Lots of people believing something doesn’t make it acceptable or rational or correct.

Lots of people in Afghanistan/ Iran etc believe women are property, shouldn’t have education or be allowed out of the house alone, should be subject to honour killings if they don’t do what male family members tell them or if they are unfortunate enough to be raped. Are they also justified because “lots of people in that society agree with them”?

Lots of people used to believe that black people were inferior intellectually and should be slaves. Were they correct because lots of them thought so? Maybe you think they were because your hero Kirk stated similar views…

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

weearrows · 16/09/2025 13:43

BananaPeels · 16/09/2025 13:24

I cant answer that as I don’t see things the way you do.

I thought that Bernie sanders video was awesome. He is articulating much better than me everything I have tried to say. I couldn’t agree more with him and I love the way he talks!

but i couldn't disagree with Bernie Sanders more on pretty much everything . I am sure we don’t have much common ground at all. So are pretty much all his opinions odious to me personally? - I suppose so. Would I want to live in a country where he was President - absolutely not!

do I think he’s a bad person? Absolutely not - he comes across as a caring and moral person. I would love to chat to him and debate ideas. Would we find common ground if we did - probably but not much but I think he’s a good person.

I would never decry because we don’t agree on much that he’s awful. That’s the difference- debating ideas and respectful discourse is wonderful. That’s what democracy is all about.

Yes, I think Bernie has always come across as a principled politician who seems to genuinely love his country and the ideas it was built on. I don’t agree with much of his politics but yes, he’d be a fascinating person to meet. I think it was Bernie who went to the first Trump inauguration in his hat and mittens and sat there looking hugely grumpy? He went because that’s what you do, you honour the office of the president (even if you don’t like the candidate) but that doesn’t stop you from staging a public sulk. Loved it!

AzurePanda · 16/09/2025 13:48

I love Bernie Sanders even though I profoundly disagree with him on many many issues, if not most. He’s a thoroughly decent person and more importantly, is happy to engage with those on the other side.

It is to the eternal shame of the Democrats that they conspired to ensure he wasn’t their Presidential candidate in 2016.

weearrows · 16/09/2025 13:53

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:33

Yes if you read the transcript of Erika’s podcast s4 e6 ‘Submission is not a dirty word’ he starts to outline his views on submission there. I’ll attach some photos but read the whole thing! To be honest a LOT of conservative evangelical Christians believe the same thing, it’s not an outlier for that section of society!

You’re right that ‘marital submission’ is a pretty common view in the evangelical church (even here in the UK). It’s based on something the Apostle Paul said and then layered on top is another belief referred to as ‘headship doctrine’. It’s basically saying that God created Adam first and thus follows the ‘natural order’. But if you dig a bit deeper into what the Bible says, it talks about mutual submission, both equally honouring and ‘submitting’ to each other, choosing to love selflessly.

The Kirks’ views on men always controlling the money and women always raising the children aren’t based on anything biblical at all, it’s cultural. Fine, if that’s what you choose for yourself but it’s not something you can tell others to do. It is a surprisingly commonly held view though.

Underthinker · 16/09/2025 13:56

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:43

Lots of people believing something doesn’t make it acceptable or rational or correct.

Lots of people in Afghanistan/ Iran etc believe women are property, shouldn’t have education or be allowed out of the house alone, should be subject to honour killings if they don’t do what male family members tell them or if they are unfortunate enough to be raped. Are they also justified because “lots of people in that society agree with them”?

Lots of people used to believe that black people were inferior intellectually and should be slaves. Were they correct because lots of them thought so? Maybe you think they were because your hero Kirk stated similar views…

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

Edited

I think NFI was basically agreeing with you while stating that these views were widespread and not isolated to Kirk.

NFItheawkardness · 16/09/2025 13:57

TheClaaaw · 16/09/2025 13:43

Lots of people believing something doesn’t make it acceptable or rational or correct.

Lots of people in Afghanistan/ Iran etc believe women are property, shouldn’t have education or be allowed out of the house alone, should be subject to honour killings if they don’t do what male family members tell them or if they are unfortunate enough to be raped. Are they also justified because “lots of people in that society agree with them”?

Lots of people used to believe that black people were inferior intellectually and should be slaves. Were they correct because lots of them thought so? Maybe you think they were because your hero Kirk stated similar views…

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

Edited

Oi oi, we’re on the same side. I’m pointing out to a previous poster who doubted Charlie Kirk said or believed that women should submit to men that he very much believed that they should, and also abdicate financial independence, and that this is a strongly and widely held belief (which I do NOT agree with) within the American conservative evangelical community. Not saying that these are my views, quite the opposite.

Usual disclaimer that while I abhor such views, no one deserves to be murdered.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 16/09/2025 14:03

AzurePanda · 16/09/2025 13:39

The reaction from many on the left to Charlie Kirk’s murder is going to haunt them for years and keep the Democrats out of office for even longer.

Making tasteless comments about others doesn't seem to have done MAGA any harm. Quite the opposite in fact.

SeaAndStars · 16/09/2025 14:07

OxfordInkling · 15/09/2025 09:52

Context is king. And those who try to smear him have either never bothered to listen or didn’t have the faculties to comprehend.

The word empathy is first recorded in 1909 and came from a German word believed to have been used since 1870.

We can listen to and understand what Kirk is saying but we don't have to share his views or think he was right.

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