Labour Supporters - Do you think it would help if KS was replaced?

[Mrsmunchofmunchington]

I am a life long labour voter. Like many I am incredibly disappointed, in fact I’m devastated by the direction of the current government.

Something needs to change in a pretty radical way or we are opening the door to Deform.

I’m torn between thinking the last thing we need is another revolving door at no 10 but I have lost any confidence that KS is able to lead us out of the mess the tories left us in.

Would it be a good thing to change leaders if this was possible and if so who should it be?

I agree with this. It's a divisive issue and whatever a politician like Starmer says, it won't please everyone.

But a lot of people are worried about the amount of illegal immigration and this will affect their voting in the next election.

Just a reminder of where Reform are currently getting their support from

Two things I remember from when he took office. Immigration and the economy would be the priorities.
He was going to "Smash the Gangs" and take control of the Borders. So far there is no indication of how this might be achieved.
He rightly recognised that Growth was the answer to the economic problems. Yet he has loaded businesses with more taxes, Nothing done to encourage employment. Inflation has about doubled. The Tories had got it under control.
He has to go.
He will go after the elections in May. Scotland, Wales, and London Assembly (I think). They will be real elections, they will not be Opinion Polls with carefully phrased question to lead to a chosen result to suit the Editor of a newspaper.
In your opinion dear reader; Can he survive?

I don’t think he will go until Burnham is in the wings. And he can’t stand atm.

Although there are some upcoming bye elections in Mcr l believe.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Are you convinced that Andy Burnham really wants the job?
In Manchester he is 'somebody with influence', he is making a difference. He is leading a community with few opponents. Local Tories are not aggressively critical. He can be proud of his work there.
His Manchester work can continue after the next General Election. As PM there is no certainty of continuity is there?

Why would he join a sack of snarling ferrets in Westminster.
ps. he has lost two Leadership elections in his career.

Maybe Wes Streeting who is already in the Westminster world?

Wes Streeting would be a good candidate I think. He has an extremely difficult job at the moment but seems to perform it reasonably well.

I’m not convinced replacing KS would solve the problem. Is there anyone else who can do the job? Burnham is doing great work in Manchester but would his popularity survive being responsible for jobs and taxes and the inevitable benefit cuts? The bond markets won’t allow any borrowing and our commitment to defence and house building and the nhs requires more money. A huge amount of government income goes on just paying the interest on our debt. What is Andy Burnham going to do that’s any different? He wasn’t effective as a minister and he lost against both Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn. He needs to stay where he can make a difference.
I also think Starmer needs to stay until nearer the next GE. He can be the face of the unpopular stuff and then allow Wes Streeting or maybe Shabana Mahmood to take over just before the election.
This government needs at least another 12 months before can see whether it is slowly turning things around. I do think Starmer has made a number of poor decisions but I don’t believe anyone in Labour has the courage to admit that they need to increase NI by the 1p the Tories reduced it by right before the 2024 GE, or that they made a huge mistake in the employers NI increase. If anything I think Reeves needs to go, but that would destabilise the whole party and also business confidence, unless they had someone in the wings with a clear, immediate plan.

Good lord - the bloody boats are such a massive distraction from the real problems we face as a country.

Disillusioned Labour voters will not vote Reform. They will vote Green or Yellow. (And I would have thought Your Party until the utter shambles of this week!)

The problem is this will obviously give ground to Reform.

If Labour can’t address the real problems people are facing: education, health & social care, cost of living. Then we will need a progressive coalition to block the far right now. It’s depressing.

That's an opinion you have (that disillusioned Labour voters will not vote Reform) not fact.

Some will - remember not all "Labour voters" are committed to Labour principles. Quite a few will be floating voters who just happened to vote Labour at the last election, quite likely because the Tories were such a disgrace.

If you scroll down a bit the graphic shows a fair few Labour moving to Reform

If you scroll down a bit the graphic shows a fair few Labour moving to Reform

Disillusioned Labour voters are voting Reform. So are people in traditional Labour safe seats ie Red Wall

The country is doomed.

Red Wall won't be voting for Labour. It's seen as the party of woke and immigration. No one I know (NE) will be voting Labour although obvs thats just a personal remark. There's no benefit to them whatsoever. And despite Labour thinking policies like shafting farmers and trashing education are popular with its base, to the average reasonable person I suspect it just comes across as spiteful and counter productive. And fiddling while Rome burns.

Yep Labour have lost Red Wall. We are NE too and every town and village is covered in flags etc.

It's good to see!

For Reform?

Same idiots that voted for Brexit. That went well 🙄🙄🙄

The red wall do see Reform as supporting many of their values-housing, cheaper energy, lifting the 2 child cap, they are even supporting unions and industry! Heaven knows how they will pay for it all but they are making the right noises. They are also seen as more patriotic and in these febrile days that’s seen as important. The racist tendencies in their comments are being ignored because people don’t like what they hear from Labour and Conservative. The Greens and LibDems are seen as too ‘woke’ on DEI and trans issues for many. And Your Party has imploded. They want a party concentrating on home issues, not Palestine. I think Reform could win big in the red wall

I don’t think replacing Kier Starmer will help.

The Labour party would just move further left with a new leader to the left of KS, while the overall electorate is moving to the right.

But maybe Labour know it is hopeless, and they just want to go out in a blaze if glory, satisfying all their desire to enact all their pet policies and ride all their hobbyhorses while they still can!

Yes

Peoole from across the economic amd political spectrum voted Leave!

Such a snob! 🤣

Agreed. The main remain vote came from cities. The majority of the rest of the country including over 70% of conservative voters voted out. Most of the Home Counties too....

And the North East of course. As we are all one homogeneous blob.(apart from all the areas in the NE that voted remain).

And now that homogenous group are "rascist idiots". So at least we've moved on from just plain "idiots"