Labour Supporters - Do you think it would help if KS was replaced?

[Mrsmunchofmunchington]

I am a life long labour voter. Like many I am incredibly disappointed, in fact I’m devastated by the direction of the current government.

Something needs to change in a pretty radical way or we are opening the door to Deform.

I’m torn between thinking the last thing we need is another revolving door at no 10 but I have lost any confidence that KS is able to lead us out of the mess the tories left us in.

Would it be a good thing to change leaders if this was possible and if so who should it be?

It's all good. It's hardly encouraging an increase in the Labour vote if the left accuse all potential (former) voters of being northern racists. Crack on I say!

But Clive Lewis would not speak well of Starmer if all was going well

Think you're a week too late with this reply!

The concern is that the door may be open to Reform in Manchester if Andy Burnham goes.

Andy Burnham seems to becoming the Tories version of Boris. Sitting at the edges throwing stones.

If you all start infighting and backing different horses, it will be another 10 years in the wilderness for Labour.

Over a decade of Conservative and coalition is what brought us closer to reform, just let the current government rebuild the country for a little.

I bloody well do, OP.

Rebuild 🤣🤣🤣🤣?

That's a joke, thanks I needed that.

10 years of Labour in the wilderness will do me fine thanks but FYI they are doing it to themselves!

It’s not here you need to worry about with the infighting. It’s Labour.

Today's YouGov poll suggests Reform would win 311 seats across the country. Reported in the Telegraph, so behind the paywall.

And they have still got another 3 years of this shit show to build momentum. It is going to a landslide.

It is frightening. I don't want a Reform Government; actually what i want is a Government composed of thoughtful people who are not primarily focused on political point scoring. I would like Milliband to reconsider his activist agenda and tune it down to two-thirds of his goals over a slightly longer time frame. I realise that the congenitally disabled are always going to require life long care, but I don't think we have the balance/line right yet. As a net contributor taxpayer, my loyalty to the UK's passengers is very ambiguous. Happy to help those who help themselves improve their lives, and completely uninterested in those than can't or won't put in any effort.

I wouldn’t worry too much @Papyrophile. There’s no way they can maintain this momentum for another 40 odd months. Current polls are as reliable as a four year weather forecast.

The problem is that most of the population is either unaware of or in denial about the big picture situation we're facing - catastrophic climate change requiring a radical root-and-branch overhaul of the productive economy and a rethinking of our addiction to economic growth, spiralling wealth inequality that is shifting asset ownership to the rich and locking more and more people out of home ownership, and increasing separation between political power - which we still attempt to enforce via the ballot box - and economic power which is almost entirely globalised.

It's therefore literally impossible for any government to solve our problems, because simply admitting what they are will mean it cannot be elected.

So to pass the time, parties compete to come up with bullshit ideas for "fixing" things while not straying beyond the bounds of public ignorance and delusion. Labour's was to tinker round the edges, not doing anything much different from the Tories but governing with a bit more seriousness and less corruption.

Ironically, Starmer - the closest thing I've ever seen to a man with absolutely no integrity, principles or values whatsoever - is probably the best person to carry this out, at it involves complete focus on tactics without being distracted by strategy, which doesn't exist and can't exist.

Reform's will be to fix absolutely everything by stopping immigration, which is equally nonsense. It's extraordinary how many people are buying it simply because it's marketed as "shaking up the establishment", when it's the exact opposite - finding a convenient scapegoat to distract people while the real power of the establishment, exerted by increasing asset ownership, low tax, interest in new privatised healthcare companies etc, is increased.

We need to accept becoming, as a whole, poorer. Since many people can't become significantly poorer without starving, we need to accept that the very rich will need to become MUCH poorer. We need to accept that capitalism is failing (all over the world, not just in the UK), resulting in the drive to extremes of inequality that was always inherent in it, have an open and frank discussion about what succeeds it, and be honest about the fact that there will be losers as well as winners.

Until then, it's just distraction, and opportunists like Farage finding ways to benefit from a crisis at everyone else's expense.

I think the only thing that will help is a wealth tax. I’m probably very left of the party and he is not..Paid up to join Your Party but haven’t left Labour yet. Still thinking on things.

A wealth tax will only raise money once. Then people adjust their behaviour so the tax man/woman doesn't get as much. Raising taxes doesn't really work long term. Incentives might do.

There are so many missed chances this guy could take to improve his popularity.

Besides the fact that he needs to stop mimicking Farage banging on about bloody boats…. We won the ruby world cup yesterday. Canada’s PM was there. Starmer was not. He continually fails to take the opportunity to endear anyone to him as a person. He’s stiff, lacking charisma and speaks in awkward sound bites, fed to him by a disastrous PR team.
SORT IT OUT LABOUR HQ!!!!

I don't like KS obviously (along with most people) but I'm amazed he doesn't do basic things like sort his voice out. What's with the nasal issue that Labour Cabinet members have? (Keir Starmer, Ed Milliband, Lisa Nandy etc). I completely appreciate it's their real voice and perhaps they can't improve things for medical reasons, but it's so easy to parody and so distracting when they are speaking. And KS has combined his with a robotic delivery.

If I were a Labour "stylist" or whatever they use for their image I wouldn't bother with the £2,485 designer glasses; I'd get on to speech therapy.

I have time for this stance and interest, and Corbyn’s statement went there directly imo. The issue I think is it doable as it takes global change.

I actually think KS is the worst person to deal with it as his response is move to more authoritarian control. I was relieved to see Corbyn’s tweet against the ID scheme.

I’m not saying who I know who I’ll vote for but I see some of this big picture stuff and my major concern is the access and control that will be put in place to stop unrest over all else.

KS is in it for the right reasons but coming across as a wet lettuce

there is a bit of time to improve but patience is wearing thin

Wes Streeting is the only mp with a reasonable shot at it IMO. But the best shot would surely be Andy Burnham. Plenty of rumours on Twitter that a greater Manchester mp is set to “retire” in the next year or so. But AB would need to be selected as the Labour candidate, which definitely isn’t a given as KS would obviously see the threat a mile off

But then again Wes Streeting is also a threat to KS.

Would prefer Wes Streeting as leader than AB personally, though that is probably my southern bias coming out.

I worry about Burnham if he took over. He’s been out of Parliament for years, has had no responsibility for the NHS, immigration or taxes and says mad things like why worry about the bond markets!
I don’t remember him as an effective minister and this article says he’s less successful that his image suggests.
I still think Streeting or Mahmood would be better but not for a year or two. I still think Starmer could improve things in a year or two. A new leader now isn’t going to make a massive difference in the time left. It must take a year to learn what you need to do.
Andy Burnham promised 10,000 council houses. Guess the tally so far

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3b1b76b1-5b5b-4a4e-a86f-6bb18d8ac68c?shareToken=587aee211d7fd17133c2bb3b08dc37b7

He's lost each time he's run for the leadership so if he gets it it's a real admission that Labour have few really good people.

Yes.

admit that AB’s biggest issue is that he is “too northern”. Despite being southern I think WS does at least tick the “working class” box