Any Labour supporters just so…

[CurlewKate]

…..disappointed and angry right now? I’m still, and always will be, a Labour supporter-it’s the party that most closely aligns with my political, philosophical and moral beliefs. But bloody hell, surely the least we can expect is basic competence?

"A Dalek with a head cold" as described by the Spectator which is hilarious and spot on and also at the same time, depressing.

Well, being a poor storyteller is fundamentally not being a storyteller is it?

He doesn't really understand the emotional level that the story needs to be pitched

He wont' name either the problems or the Enemy for fear of being picked up on the detail and accused of hypocrisy or of attacking the British themselves.

He doesn't understand that you've got to go large or go home.

He doesn't understand that it all comes down to emotion.

People for example could probably face the fact that they've been behaving like bigots if they felt

a. fully forgiven and welcomed back into the fold
b. not really to blame - their fears have been exploited by Shadowy Forces and it's no wonder they fell for it when times are tough.

Aha! The shadowy forces are back.

What are these shadowy forces? And how do they hurt poor old Sir Keir’s reputation?

I just want to repeat that my analysis is not aimed at you - I'm not interested in relitigating Labour vs Tories with DM BTLers.

I'm responding to the OP and people like her.

Tbf it did get them into power it's just that people can see through the lines after all. He has chosen emotion too just the wrong stuff.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board on the Evil Shadowy Forces stuff btw! It's hard to understand and not connected to much.

Why call @DenizenOfAisleOfShame a 'DM BTLer'? It's not really relevant and your story that you're talking about needs to grab more than the most loyal Labour voter, they have such low rating you need people wavering in the middle.

Even you must understand that I am knowingly speaking at the level of cliche, since the necessity of doing so is literally my point?

Your heavy irony is very Sir Bufton Tufton / Roger from the golf club / mein host / Woking Rotary Club so at least we can all see you coming I guess.

TBH, I think you’re just talking drivel.

Not disappointed no. They are performing in exactly the way I thought they were. They have shown themselves to be liars over and over again. Rayner got what she deserved but still she cited the fact she was resigning over the ‘strain on her children’ rather than the real reason which was she had been found out for being a liar and a cheat. Good riddance and now for Reeves the incompetent and spineless Starmer next.

Ah touché.

You do know that Labour already use cult language, right?
1.emotionally loaded language
2.Them and us... used to set the scene for each new act of fiscal self-sabotage in the form of new taxes
3.Thought terminating cliches . The number of times I hear "inherited a mess" to stop any criticism of specific Labour outcomes!

It doesn't work once you're in power, because reality still bites and people see the difference between what you say and how their life actually plays out.

Labour don't need to change their language, they need to stop fucking up.

@thestudio if by obvious BLiar types you mean me, yes my political stance probably makes me more or less a Blairite, I’m not ashamed of that.

Im disappointed in this government. For the first time in a General Election I didn’t vote Labour. They lost my trust and respect with their disdain for women. And to be honest I don’t think they truly represent ‘Labour’ - working people - in a way that works for the 21st century.

I agree with you that Keir is not a storyteller and that their comms are rubbish. Nobody knows what they actually stand for. That is a comms failure as much as a policy one, surely?

I'm sick to the back teeth of the right wing media in this country.
America is aghast at lack of free speech, broken Britain.

Now to the other side of the pond, National Guard on the streets,ice (Trumps boot boys) School Shootings,mass shootings weekly, Journalist's banned from the White House if any tricky questions arise, anything the Trump administration doesn't like being written about them is branded fake news.
Things maybe far from perfect but it's not the basket case that certain sections of the media are making out.

Nottinghamshire County Council has banned journalists. They’re definitely taking lessons from Trump.

Disappointed but not surprised at their inability to communicate to the public or their MPs.

Take PIP benefit as an example. I am physically disabled and understand the need for radical reform but their communication of what they planned to do was appalling and with the majority of their MPs looking to getting re-elected next time rather than think the current situation is not sustainable and support the cabinet. They have also made substantial changes to work visas and immigration but not communicated them well or properly explained why the UK can't afford to give out British citizenship after 5 years.

Seems to me they need to focus on communication.

Don't blame the right wing press for all their communication woes - there are often balanced articles and good / neutral comment pieces in the Times. Yes they all piled in on Raynor but that was a complete own goal.

I’m not disappointed. I fully expected them to be petty, vindictive, hypocritical and lacking basic understanding of human behaviour and economics. I am surprised they imploded this fast though.

The government hasn’t imploded. That’s wishful thinking on your part.

ok.

You're right of course. Its wishful thinking to think that the government hasnt imploded. It's own members will prevent anything meaningful being done, such as a reduction in spending, to stop the coming economic collapse and the "non functioning Chancellor" doesn't know what else to do.

14 years waiting for power...

I’m as opposed to this incompetent, shoddy government as anyone. But it hasn’t imploded.

It might well implode by the end of the year. But at the moment it’s creaking and groaning but still just about intact.

I am disappointed at the own goal. Rayner’s housing situation is complicated - but all the more reason you’d get proper advice. I’m disappointed that Labour is being so cautious given their massive majority. But I’m curious in what way PPs think Labour have ‘wrecked the economy’. They did inherit a mess - deliberately made so by the Tories with unfunded tax cuts and a decade of cuts to public services. And then Trump’s tariffs and insisting Europe pay 5% of GDP etc for defence are not of Labour’s making and couldn’t have been predicted. But I wish they’d be more … visionary (and they definitely need better comms so let’s see what the new comms set-up does).

I honestly do not see Labour lasting a full term.

This reshuffle feels like a last roll of the dice for KS.

The budget should prove interesting.

Assuming there are no screw ups in the meantime,

That’s what Farage is saying. More wishful thinking.

Here is the impact they've had on the economy. Plus:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/04/uk-businesses-cut-jobs-at-fastest-pace-in-four-years-over-summer-bank-of-england-finds

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/aug/05/services-sector-biggest-fall-orders-uk-three-years-interest-rate

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/17/worse-for-hospitality-than-covid-bosses-blame-reeves-budget-for-uk-downturn