Any Labour supporters just so…

[CurlewKate]

…..disappointed and angry right now? I’m still, and always will be, a Labour supporter-it’s the party that most closely aligns with my political, philosophical and moral beliefs. But bloody hell, surely the least we can expect is basic competence?

Completely this

There’s lots of double-standards and loaded dice to be angry about in life, not least in politics.

But it’s pointless complaining about them, or about the press, if the government you support is talentless and incompetent. This government is talentless and incompetent.

The freebies, street fighting, tax issues, tenant evicting and all round hypocrisy of this government just provide focal points for reporting and for voters’ eye rolling. But the underlying problem is uselessness.

The economy will see off Starmer, not flats in Hove.

Because the last lot were so much better 14 years of austerity and not lining their mates pockets with multi million pound contracts.

The difference is that JH was not always first to hurl insults at others doing the same thing, baying for resignations and calling people scum.
It's the rank hypocrisy that's the issue.

Coming into power and going on about how bad the economy was and not realising this before coming into power was a shocker.
1 They had power to see the books beforehand
2 if they say how bad things are people believe them and will not spend/ invest more or will avoid the UK.

Now the ongoing narrative is how bad things are - we are talking ourselves into failure.

There was the awful budget that lit national insurance up and impacted jobs rather then taking the hit and putting income tax up 1%.

There was the disastrous mess about pip.

So far I am not unpressed and frankly really really scared that at the next election Reform will get in. If that happens any financial issues under Labour will pale in comparisons - this is the worry.

I am non political and float from party to party but I usually look for a party that is central. If Labour mess this up we have the prospect of an extreme government and that is disturbing.

I always voted Labour but I will never vote for them again.

The chancellor is destroying what left of the economy & Labour list me when they chose to target pensioners and people with disabilities but failed to regulate greedy utility companies and make big corporations pay their fair share of tax.

They are incompetent arrogant and betrayed their voters & worst of all they are feeding the far right with their inability to lead the country.

My point was more that the media is fixated on giving farage airtime and and 'putting the boot in' for labour as a PP said, and not giving due airtime to the positive things happening in the country -regardless of their origins.

No. The shit always comes from socialism. It doesn't work and we never learn.

But Labour are hopeless and are wrecking the country. Plus the ministers seem to have no moral standards. They need to be held to account, surely. They don't need a pat on the head for their achievements which let's face it, are pretty minor in the great scheme of their over all shitshow.

One thing we should be grateful for I suppose is that Starmer hasn't (yet) decided to lock up people that criticise his government. And that the press are still allowed to report on his many failures.

We shouldn't be complacent that this situation will last though, given the armed arrest of Graham Linehan for old tweets.

While I completely agree that the press were out for her blood, this was a self-inflicted wound.

She didn’t even have to think ‘do I need tax advice’ just ‘what would this look like on the front page of the Mail?’

Id also be sadder to see her go if she hadn’t been so aggressive with all that ‘never kissed a Tory’ style bs. She just comes out of it looking like a hypocrite, and a stupid one at that. I hope she’s able to learn from it.

The economy is what matters though and they are on a seriously sticky wicket there. If they are going to make difficult decisions the least they can do is stick to them. The WFA was an unbelievable car crash of a situation. The benefits conversation all round is a massive fuck up. They can’t please everyone, so they are settling for pleasing no-one!

And Blair's WMD was virtuous?
There's also a reason austerity came in. Same reason Thatcher won the election ie on the back of Labour governments. They always ruin the economy.

Of course they do. And everyone knows it.

Labour supporters just coach everything in overdramatic terms "austerity!!" "killing disabled people!!" "rich entrepreneurs stole the shirts from the backs of poor people on benefits!". It's so they can pretend to be virtuous. When in fact socialist governments are terrible for poor people as they wreck the economy needed to provide tax to pay to support the poor. As shown currently.

Which party was Truss in? I seem to recall she had a hell of a try ruining the economy. Reform have similar economic plan to ruin it.

Truss pales into insignificance with where we are now with Labour

What about Labour?

Cameron and Osborne brought in austerity because they could. It wasn’t needed at the time and created a lot of the conditions which are having an impact now. The early 2000s really weren’t like the 1970s.

Cameron also gave us Brexit.

Tony Blair was wrong on Iraq, but he was right on a lot of things. A lot of good was done by the Blair and Brown governments.

Cameron also gave us same sex marriage.
He didn't have a choice about Brexit

Like selling off the gold and bleeding the coffers dry?
I can't believe you gloss over WMD and the impact that had.

Oh FYI I voted for Blair's Labour too but it really opened my eyes to the fact that Left are as unscrupulous as the Right. There is no leg to stand on morally for the Left to proclaim themselves superior to the Right

Yes i am really dissapointed I still think she misunderstood the whole trust for her son.thing but I think she was just content with the loophole. Money really does blinker people,

Ah i didn't mean to quote your OP

Yep exactly. At least most are seeing the reality of Labour.

Cameron did have a choice over Brexit, there was no need to have a referendum on it and certainly not such a bloody stupid one.

I don’t gloss over WMD, it was a terrible error of judgment by Blair supported by cowards, opportunists and fools in the Cabinet, but I don’t judge the entirety of New Labour by that. Also, yes they made mistakes, some of which I thought were mistakes at the time, some of which I’ve come to see as mistakes with time - but show me a government that doesn’t make mistakes and get things wrong.

I think what disappoints me most are the constant comms failures and their apparent inability to craft a simple national narrative of redemption - one that names the problems and the choices we have to make to solve them, and why it will be worth the sacrifice .

I just don't think it's that fucking hard! 'these things, A B and C, are what makes Britain great. But these are precisely the things that we're in danger of losing. Both the Tories and Reform are backed by the Dark Forces of Global Capital, who will be delighted when we lose A, B and C forever. So we've got some hard decisions to make - but if we make them together, we can rebuild the Britain that made us all proud.'

Available at reasonabe hourly rates Keir.

Time for this again.

The comms isn't the problem, the policies and people are! Blaming the comms is easy scapegoating to deflect from the main culprits ie the leadership.
Do you know how much taxpayer money they have spent on comms so far?

Are we now on Phase 3 of a government, merely 14 months after taking power? That's not a comms issue, it's a competency issue.