Ricky Jones Cleared

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Unbelievable (but not unexpected).

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-15003437/Labour-councillor-cleared-cutting-throats-comment-rally.html

No, it's not the same as Connolly. She made several racist comments then her most incendiary one, was advised by family to take it down, said she'd 'play the mental health card', found the situation funny, didn't seem to understand what she'd done wrong and pleaded guilty to incitement.

Jones was found not guilty of intent, the jury were so convinced that he didn't mean it, they made a decision in 30 minutes.

Starmer will 'be in trouble' by Reform voters and conspiracy theorists no matter what he does. Not that he has any sway over the jury.

it was rioters whose throats he suggested be cut.

It wasn’t actually. It was the NF members who put razor blades under stickers in public places.

Well I personally wouldn’t want any political figure on any side talking about slitting anybody’s throats ! Has politics got that low?!

Politicians are supposed to be rational, diplomatic people! Doing this when riots were going on across the country was hardly going to do any good was it ?! Labour advised everyone from the party not to attend any protest or counter protest.

Jones ignored the warning. Had he simply done as advised , an expensive public court case not bit have happened and he wouldn’t have made the media.

His reputation is hardly going to stand him in good stead now is it ? He’s also helped damaged the reputation of the Labour Party.

Whose reply?

Show us the proof that NF members ( haven't heard of them for years) did this and I don't mean a photo.

I bet you’d have a very different stance if he were a Tory or Reform councillor.

Jones was charged, went to trial, as is his right, as could off LC, found not guilty, she pleaded guilty at the first opportunity.

LC made her tweets during a time of widespread rioting, RJ didn't.

He was charged with a slightly lesser charge, possibly as his was a "one off" offence, LC had posted racist/hate tweets and showed no remorse.... so posed a re offending risk, hence no bail.

They were treated the same.

We don't need to know whether a NF member put up a sticker with a razer blade behind it, because that doesn't excuse calling for protesters throats to be slit or even those who put up stickers with razer blades.

Just as an asylum seeker being charged with sexual assault of a 14 year old in Epping doesn't excuse calls for violence against asylum seekers or even those who commit sexual violence.

Inciting violence is never OK. Even against people you really don't like. Everyone is meant to be protected by the law. From everyone. Equally.

If someone is excused from breaking the law because you don't like the group of people they have acted against as much as the group attacking them that is exactly two tier justice.

Exactly, hence his arrest, charge and trial.....

Ultimately, its the outcome of the trial that you don't like.

But wouldn’t have Connelly have still been remanded in custody if she had pleaded not guilty?
If she had then that would have been a two tier justice system. Jones wasn’t remanded.

Possibly, she was charged with a more serious offence, but she didn't, she admitted the charge, had a history of tweeting racist stuff & showed no remorse.

She also messaged that she would play the MH card.

You re arguing that we have a 2 tier justice system based on an "IF"

I believe Jones was initially remanded.

I think some posters on here don't understand why people are so angry about 2-tier justice because they actually agree with it. So long as it favours the people they think it should, of course.

The most sensible post on this thread. Spot on.

There has always been an element of 2 tier justice, look at the guy who gets the rich off driving offences?

We have an imperfect system but, at the risk of repetition, LC pleaded guilty & i would hold exactly the same views if their roles were reversed.

Its about respecting the system we have.

A accusation you can't prove and which adds fuck all to the discussion.

I think some posters on here don't understand why people are so angry about 2-tier justice because they actually agree with it. So long as it favours the people they think it should, of course.

I think some posters on here don’t understand the basics of the legal system in England and Wales and so adopt ridiculous phrases they’ve picked up on social media rather than spending a bit of time educating themselves.

People with money can buy lots of things which the state doesn't make available to everyone: including legal advice and choice of representation.

That's totally different to a state-funded system - specifically set up to mediate between people, so that they don't take justice into their own hands - treating one group more favourably than another.

This is much closer to complaints that race changes police action. It's not meant to, and there are all sorts of reasons you can give for why, but we know it does and it's not right. So we try to fix it.

It doesn't matter that the police say they had reason to believe that the black kid was a threat, and you can quote police process that they can act differently in that case. We see that there's a difference. And it's not right. So we try to fix it.

The wrongness of political 2-tier justice is exactly the same - and those who aren't determined to pretend it doesn't exist realise it's wrong in exactly the same way.

So we need to fix it. Not pretend that everything is perfect when it's not. That kind of pretence which supports injustice is the opposite of respecting the system.

How much more proof do you need than a photo? 🙄 And why are you so reluctant to believe this didn’t happen and so defensive of Connolly?

No I can’t prove it. But we both know it’s true 😉

Ahhh good to see you back with the fake news and always happy to step in to correct.

The reality is that anyone can post a photo of a NF sticker and then another photo with a Stanley blade on it. Besides with a thickness of 0.65 mm it would be pretty visible and not exactly hidden if it was even true. The reality is that there is no evidence that this sticker with a supposed Stanley blade stuck to it by the NF other than a member of the public (with potential political motives) handing it in to the Transport Police . It could quite easily been put there by the person handing it in.

Anyway by way of point I could easily post an "image" of a Socialist Workers Party sticker with a chainsaw or a venomous snake hidden behind it! But it would exactly make it genuine.

Irrelevant, he was found not guilty, unless you have evidence of jury rigging or other such influence?

Amazing how everything you don’t agree with is “fake news” @1dayatatime.

Fake nooos!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/national-front-sticker-razor-blade-dunton-green-train-station-5Hjcp88_2/

This is not the first time that razor blades have been stuck to the underside of far-right stickers in Dunton Green in recent years.

In 2021, police found a blade on a Nazi sticker at a bus stop in the village.
Inspector Matt Atkinson of Kent Police said at the time that the incident was "disturbing”, adding that it was "sheer luck that a child was not harmed".

Reports of far-right activists putting razor blades behind stickers date back to the 70s.

https://www.mhaplus.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/HSB-744-Safety-Security-Alert-Injury-Risk-warning-From-Stanley-Blades-Hidden-Under-Stickers-With-National-Front-Written-o.pdf

It was all explained by the barrister in the video I posted.