Ricky Jones Cleared

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Unbelievable (but not unexpected).

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-15003437/Labour-councillor-cleared-cutting-throats-comment-rally.html

"Nope, I'm your English teacher. Your compression still needs some work."

Not sure you should be teaching anyone English to be fair.

That often happens on a thread like this.

Oh dear.

And the hard right bray about lawless Britain whilst complaining that criminals who've pleaded guilty shouldn't get the appropriate sentence.

"bray" is rude.

The so-called liberal left are also quick to insult and name-call. Must be because their arguments don't hold.

Well that's one way of looking at it.

OTOH the other way of looking at it is that the "hard right" are braying about why someone who was recorded addressing a crowd, making a throat slitting gesture and associated comment, gets to walk away a free man..

And yes, I've seen and heard all the "because...reasons," which may indeed be valid, but the optics are fairly dreadful.

It was bantz.

They do tbf

I haven't name called and I find your use of liberal as a pejorative strange. But let's not derail, you're fighting tooth and nail for a racist.

I think they meant they teach "the English" as a people, rather than "English" as a subject.

but the optics are fairly dreadful.

Well that will be the prisms you are using then.

Trump is a convicted felon.

He has no say in British politics

I'm fighting tooth snd nail for people to be treated equally by our justice system, regardless of their political beliefs.

I'm not using liberal as an insult. I'm using sarcasm because those on the left who consider themselves liberal - like you - are in fact not. You believe that only your own political beliefs are valid, and that only people who share them should be protected by the law.

Gosh, you're making unfounded assumptions, I'm shocked.

You're defending someone who pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred. Ergo, you're defending a racist.

There are plenty of people who can claim they're being treated unfairly by the judicial system but you choose a convicted racist who pleaded guilty. And burning people alive is not a political opinion.

Do you consider the political opinion that the UK should deport any asylum seeker not yet granted adylum an illegal opinion to hold?

What other political beliefs do you think should be illegal?

They are also defending US deportations without trial to El Salvador

I haven't said that holding an opinion is illegal.

It's your opinion

There is a world (if not a universe) between holding a political view, and expressing it in a manner contrary to law.

And clearly

the UK should deport any asylum seeker not yet granted asylum

is not "illegal" as you have just spouted it without a knock at your door. Or even fear of a knock at your door. Or even the possibility of the fear of a knock at your door.

So what else do you want to be wrong about now ?

@strawberrybubblegumsays clearly it’s not illegal to hold it in this post.

Nope, yet again..... i ve defended her right to be a racist but she pleaded guilty to incitement and was sentenced in accordance to guidelines set out under a Tory Government.

She then appealed but was refused as 3 law lords said she had no grounds too, she had been treated fairly.. under the law, now you can argue that law is wrong but not that she was treated unfairly.

Unless you think there is some high level conspiracy going on here, i really do fail to see your argument.

Your reading comprehension really isn't very good.

No, I'm not. Read a bit more carefully.

She then appealed but was refused as 3 law lords said she had no grounds too, she had been treated fairly.. under the law, now you can argue that law is wrong but not that she was treated unfairly.

Some people think that because everyone appeals everything in US dramas (and I've read US attorneys grumbling about how that misinforms most of the US public) then everyone can shout "appeal !" even as the (never used) gavel is reverberating away.

The boring reality is that an appeal is only heard if there is point of law in question, or evidence can be presented to show that the sentence of the court may have been incorrect (either too harsh, or in some cases since they changed the law, too lenient).

You don't get to appeal the verdict. As the aforementioned Andrew Malkinson knows, courts are loath to overturn a jury verdict.

Just for the hard of thinking, the only person who convicted LC was LC herself. Once she entered a guilty plea (that we know she was fully informed about the implications and consequences thereof) then it was a relatively simple matter of the judge getting all the relevant facts in order to determine sentencing.

Appeals are not automatic. Not can they overturn the sentence.

The irony !

I saw the woman to his left clapping like a demented sealion and laughing. She had the grace to look a bit shocked when he came out with his diatribe but later on, both her and the woman behind both denied they heard him say what he said. Have these 'fascists ' who supposedly put razor blades in leaflets been found? Has Jones got proof it happened? This piece of information , which supposedly made him say what he said has never been verified. Is there only his word for it?