Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

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I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

Keep on paying the tax.

Your thoughts are echoed by many , and there are never any satisfactory answers to your questions.

What is the demographic mix of where you live? I have a really good friend who lives in a lovely village in Devon who feels similar to you OP, but weirdly won't move to Tower Hamlets to really emerge herself in a culturally rich area. I have lots of sympathy from afar, less so when I was referred to with racist language and had dirty nappies thrown at me and the site team.

So let's get this straight. The HO have pretend offices and trained staff, who pretend to investigate asylum claims sometimes for years. Then they spend billions on housing these pretend asylum seekers and processing their claims. Then they give them pretend refugee status.

This isn't just a 'leftie' conspiracy as the Tories pretended to process claims as well. Much food for thought.

You don't pay tax now? Fascinating.

Of course! That's what it is.

I don't hate refugees. I hate the rapey men who are put up in hotels in the UK

I am the child of Hong Kong Chinese. My Father arrived with his passport and papers so the authorities knew who he was. Anyone who attempts to enter with no paperwork should never be allowed in.

I do not enjoy being gawped at by the guys who live in my town in the hotel up the road and neither do any of my women friends.

I find the most sympathetic people are always white people and attribute it to a lot of white guilt. You know whatever colonialism did doesn’t mean you need to take all comers.

The Tories aren't 'lefties' and have been processing asylum claims for years.

But not quick enough judging by the backlog!

I think ‘investigation’ isn’t the right word. The case workers will have the (coached) words of the (undocumented) applicant to consider.

I find it interesting that when an asylum seeker makes the news because of committing a high profile crime or sadly dying on their journey there is often a proper investigation. It never matches the story that is told to try and get refugee status.

In that horrendous case of the mostly Pakistani men dying in the Mediterranean the journalists went to the areas most of them were from and the stories were all of economic migrants using the trafficking system. In fact it was said that around 60% of the young men in that area were planning to try.

I don’t blame them and I certainly don’t ‘hate’ them 🙄. I’m just one of the majority who recognises nothing is good about this system.

Starmer doesn’t seem to want to stem the tide. He has no solution to the problem. Billions to France are wasted while they laugh at us!

You can only push the electorate so far before the push back begins. We are a giving, kind nation, but there is something significantly wrong when our own people are living in poverty, no access to dentists, barely able to get a doctors appointment, no housing so family’s stuck in bedsits for years, some people homeless, benefits being cut to the most vulnerable, whilst undocumented males in their thousands are put up in hotels… Not on.

It’s a concern to millions of British citizens and as per, the government(s) don’t listen and they’ll be ‘surprised’ when Reform get in to government. That’s how fed up folk are now.

Completely agree. The OP is strangely quiet!

You're a naive idiot OP

That was part of their strategy. 40k backlog.

Can you provide evidence that refugee status is given because someone said coached words? No other evidence is required.

I have one gf, living in EU, her bf at the time was from Western Africa, he had lodged an asylum application where he was but it was about to be rejected, or it was rejected and he was waiting for an appeal (it was a while back).

She was moving to the UK for uni. So she organised a "lost" passport with a resembling picture to get him over. Once in the UK, he started a new asylum claim here but this time with the right "legend".

Because he suddenly became a member of a forbidden political party in his home country, who would have faced repression if sent home. This was entirely false. She organised it all for him, she even got a fake membership card of this party with his name on it, she made him learn and rehearse what he had to say, it was all a fabrication. To create this "legend", she was actively helped by British lawyers and activists.

They had to wait a few years to know the outcome but he got his asylum approved. It was indeed ticking all the boxes and making all the right sounds.

Less than a year later, by a miraculous coincidence, after living secularly all these years (and after my gf had converted to his religion), he found God again and decided he wanted to go all traditionalist and marry a girl from his home country.

That's your 70%.

https://christianconcern.com/comment/fake-conversions-and-asylum-seekers/

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/02/24/98-of-channel-boat-migrants-have-no-passport/

The Home Office has said that many of those coming in boats destroy their documentation during the journey, often on the instructions of criminal people traffickers. This can be done to make it more difficult for authorities to identify and remove people.
The government’s own Channel threat commander, Dan O’Mahoney, confirmed this in evidencebefore the Home Affairs Committee in September 2020: “Generally speaking, encouraged by the facilitators, [those crossing] will get rid of any sort of documentation or pocket litter, as we call it in law enforcement—phones, SIM cards, anything—before they are intercepted by Border Force.” (See Q74 of link)

Asylum claimants found to have destroyed their documents can be prosecuted under a 2004 law passed by the Tony Blair government.
However, Ministry of Justice data shows a dramatic decline in the number of prosecutions of this offence since 2005. One dataset even indicated that there were only two prosecutions in 2019 for being unable to produce an immigration document at an asylum or leave interview (a year when 1,840 are known to have crossed the Channel in boats).

It isn't but the fact remains we can't house people. We need to look to housing the existing population first.

If we carry on the way we are going there will be a lot more rioting and more people will get hurt. Nobody wants that. We need a pause, deport the failed asylum seekers and those who are here illegally.

Address the housing crisis, and secondary education.

Only then can we help others with a properly planned immigration policy.

Home office spouting far right lies.

Head of public policy at Christian Concern spouting far right lies.

The government’s own Channel threat commander, Dan O’Mahoney spouting far right lies.

They are all buying the magic beans.

I always wonder what happens when they ‘lose’ their passports. How the hell do the government begin to identify who they are and where they’re from…. It’s must be almost impossible so by default do they get to stay? Because what else’s can the UK government do with them if they don’t know where they’re from?

You spend a lot of time aggravating against foreigners, so I'm surprised you know any. One single anecdote from a randomer on MN isn't evidence. However, if you can provide proof that the people given refugee status are all fake, I'd be interested.

Well said. This is the problem- many have no intention of integrating (not all) but many..

I am sorry you were treated like that.