This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

[EvangelicalAboutButteredToast]

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

I work in criminal justice and that's bollocks.

The kids that are victims of it may be suffering that but the ones at the top are not.

It's absolute bollocks saying the drivers of crime are poverty or deprivation.

Money is the driver and many, many people who aren't living in poverty are involved in it.

Police, prison officers, Dr's, teachers, etc.

This bullshit idea that it's like Les Miserable and driven by poverty is bollocks.

No-one involved in the drug trade in the UK is doing it to lift themselves out of poverty, they're doing it because it is incredibly lucrative and they also claim benefits that allege they are below poverty line.

putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience

A bit like giving 16 yr olds the vote

I honestly don’t know what planet you live on. I live next a male migrant hotel. I can assure you if one of the local kids was sexually assaulted all hell would broke loose. That is perfectly understandable.

Omg
Yes ,why is that happening,I try to scroll fast to avoid ,but ,maybe I'm not quick enough and I get more of the same
The recent protests where they said it was mainly locals protesting ,had people attacking the police van ..how does that help the situation

So, he tried to claim he was state educated. What child does get to choose?
He has frequently said how much he benefitted from his education yet omits the fact that he benefitted from a partially private education.

You told me to get my facts right, I have them completely right thanks! It's the content hypocrisy of Starmer + his supporters who pretend he didn't have a majorly privileged education 🙄

Because if one migrant commits a crime, the others are all somehow responsible by association?

You would use violence?

For christs sake. This is like NAMALT. No one cares. Have it next to your house. They don’t want it next to theirs.

For christs sake. This is like NAMALT. No one cares. Have it next to your house. They don’t want it next to theirs.

I apologise I have no idea why I am being double posted

Quite

Reform is what happens when the concerns of many ordinary and decent people are ignored, ridiculed and sneered at. The current net migration figure of approximately 800,000 is unsustainable, but the government is clearly doing nothing about it as the majority of those people are coming in legally.

Many people, myself included, have seen the place that they grew up in change beyond all recognition, and not for the better, making them feel like strangers in their own homeland. Areas in some towns are no longer recognisable as British cities, and a party like Reform is catering to the people unhappy with this. I am not saying that all problems are due to immigration, many migrants integrate wonderfully and contribute fully to society and the economy, whilst many indigenous do not.

I won’t be voting for Reform, but understand why so many will. I expect that if they get in at the next election many people will still be scratching their heads and wondering why people elected them. It will be the result of ignoring and shouting down the legitimate concerns of many of the electorate.

Of course they will. All the voters will crawl out of the woodwork like they did for brexit.

I live somewhere awful and I have never seen so many people voting as they did for the referendum, I knew we were stuffed. They are the people who will be totally screwed when that lying grifter they bloody idolise gets elected.

Corbyn and his new party might well take some votes from Labour. Labour are worse than I feared. I am not a real fan of Farage although I do like how he talks. Whether he can deliver is another matter but I cannot believe that some people think Labour are the answer. Put Tories and Reform together and you just might have something. Surely better than this shower of sxxt

To be frank - Starmer is no leader but he doesnt seem that bad when he is doing things in other countries. Foreign Secretary or similar. Better than Lammy who seems a waste of space and if he wasnt there it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference.

Not all of us "idolise" them, we just hate Labour and Reform are the only viable alternative where we live.
Labour have lost the majority of the Red Wall to Reform.

Labour pledged to stop using hotels anyway. It looks like they’ve messed up on the gang thing so yes they’ll probably see Reform gain from that.

Any party could commit to net zero immigration and achieve it pretty quickly - even with 50k immigrants arriving by boat (as Starmer fails to "smash the gangs". Yes people want the boats to stop but net zero immigration would also be a pretty good start considering we have a housing crisis and people are struggling to find jobs.

Brexit means that we can control our borders aside from the people arriving by small boat or similar hiding in a lorry etc. All other immigrants are a decision. We can but so far the Governments in power have chosen not to.

If the Conservatives commit to net zero immigration then they probably wouldn't need a Reform coalition because net zero immigration is the major basis of Reform. Net zero immigration is relatively easily achieved unlike stopping the boats. I think people are also a bit uncertain about the NHS under Reform.

If the major parties don't make big progress/big promises on immigration them yes Reform will get in for sure.

We are in such a mess, people would vote for a tree if they thought it might be better. Our debt is getting out of hand, so where do the junior doctors think the money will come from? The BMA is so far left, I am assuming they support the mass immigration. People say tax the rich, but there won’t be many rich people left at this rate.
Council tax is going up quicker than wages, as are other bills. Jobs are thin on the ground. Graduates are fighting for the few jobs that exist. The NI rises mean companies have laid off lots of employees and are not recruiting. Teachers are leaving by the thousands, schools are crumbling, GPs say they are overstretched and are only in the practice part time. I don’t think it’s just immigration that will push people to reform. Wait til the next budget. That will kill any aspirations people may have.

FWIW we have two hotels. One family, one male. The family one causes absolutely no bother and everyone is happy with that. So I do think hotels have a place for families.

I do have asylum seekers being housed very close to my house. It doesn't worry me. They are no more or less dangerous than the other men that live in my neighbourhood.

Probably
All the 16 years old I teach are voting for them,

I'm no fan of reform, and hate farage, but I can easily see where people are comming from.
The sooner the labour nightmare are out the better. They are making a hash of this country (as usual). Making things everywhere far worse than it was before!
Thats before you start looking at the increasing immigration issue. Since they got in, My town has gone from having one hotel fully booked out to 3. They get twice weekly gp visits, free dentistry and all their meals.
the locals on the other hand can't afford to rent, have to wait 6 weeks for a gp appointment and we haven't had an NHS dentist within a 40 minute drive for the last 12 years, since the last one burnt down and never re-opened.

@NotDarkGothicMama and that’s the problem - the press downplay ( with exception of mirror and guardian) any positive things Labour do - although I must admit labours comms team need some coaching!! whereas Farage can say any old bar room bore stuff and simply doesn’t get challenged. - because media make their money in different ways these days, he’s great clickbait , you either love him and click on it or you can’t stand him but click on it anyway to see what tripe he’s coming out with - same applies with TV - he’s considered ‘good TV’ because love him or hate him people will watch . Most of the money in media is at the right wing end of the spectrum - those with shit loads of cash to spend in that area are getting it from those with that kind of an agenda, be it Aaron Banks or Murdoch or Russia - Farage was constantly on Russia today before the troubles - why do we think that is? Could it be they were funding him and his Chelsea townhouse etc? . Many people are gullible and just not media savvy , they don’t look at the ‘agenda’ - companies like BP and shell and various others in emirates have an agenda to very much keep many things ‘as they are’ - Russia has an agenda, — why do you think all the Brexit trolls with their sword and dagger and flag flying bulldog images vanished the day after Brexit, only to reappear at each election time with the Farage messages - they employed massive social media teams from poor countries plus Russia to bombard the system. Plenty of ordinary people too but hugely swelled by total fake trollers.

take the prison things as an example, where’s the teams coming from to do this given that most can’t get a kitchen extension within 8 months, where is the cash coming from given that he has no idea of the public finances, where are the staff coming from given that they have trouble recruiting as it is - itsall bluster and no substance - whereas Labour or can I even say the Tory’s would have been challenged on every one of those areas, not just allowed to spout it for the ‘you tell em Nigel’ brigade! Same with health service, if you are going to disband it as it is now, let’s have your proposals ‘in detail’ - kind of costs we are talking about to the individual, what kind of Partners do you intend to ‘link up’ with - otherwise matey you are just talking fantasy politics -

I reckon Farage may well reach net zero immigration because a lot of the decent British people will leave if he is elected.

What area of the uk are you?

Are they listening to what their parents say, or are they seeing a reduction in their quality of life in real time, and think Reform will help?