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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

916 replies

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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Welikebeingcosy · 24/07/2025 13:29

My neighbour is a newly elected Reform councillor. There's huge piles of dog poo all over their garden regularly and I've seen signs of animal cruelty and neglect. They also smoke a lot of weed.

People have no idea who they're voting for when they only follow a single party.

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 13:29

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 13:26

"Farage is Johnson mark 2, in being a privileged twit out to feather his own nest first and foremost"
So just like multi millionaire Starmer then? With his tax free pension....now remind me who brought in that law? Oh yeah Starmer brought in the law to ensure his own pension was tax free yet is now talking about taxing pensioners.........

Any Labour supporters want to comment on this? Smug Starmer with his toolmaker Dad? One rule for him and another for everyone else.

Bluebellwood129 · 24/07/2025 13:30

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 13:29

Any Labour supporters want to comment on this? Smug Starmer with his toolmaker Dad? One rule for him and another for everyone else.

The man with so much integrity.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 13:30

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 13:23

Whats wrong with the protests?

Does the evidence that the protests have been orchestrated by neo nazi groups not concern you?

IdaGlossop · 24/07/2025 13:30

peanutbuttertoasty · 24/07/2025 13:27

What labour need to do is stop waging a war of hate against ordinary British people who work hard and have high aspirations for themselves, their kids and the future stability of this country. That might help.

What a ridiculous statement. While Labour's actions may be deeply unpopular, there is no waging a war on the citizens of the UK.

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 13:31

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 13:29

Any Labour supporters want to comment on this? Smug Starmer with his toolmaker Dad? One rule for him and another for everyone else.

Don't forget privately educated too before ending up at Oxford, but yeh not highly privileged at all

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 24/07/2025 13:33

I don't want to pay for more people who have and will never contribute.
I won't vote Reform though....

Bluebellwood129 · 24/07/2025 13:33

IdaGlossop · 24/07/2025 13:28

I have to disagree that Labour have no interest in sorting out migration, illegal
in particular. They know people will vote with their feet if they don't make inroads into a problem whose complexities we are only just beginning to understand. The first duty of a government is to keep its citizens safe. At the moment, many people don't feel safe, most with good reason. There is evidence that Labour are introducing as many different approaches as possible to staunch illegal migration. Europe-wide, though, it is the right who have made difference. But Labour still have four years to go.

A large proportion of the British public is sick to the back teeth of Labour already.

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 13:34

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 13:29

Any Labour supporters want to comment on this? Smug Starmer with his toolmaker Dad? One rule for him and another for everyone else.

Which party was in government in 2013?

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 13:34

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 13:30

Does the evidence that the protests have been orchestrated by neo nazi groups not concern you?

I don’t believe they are orchestrated. These are organic protests from local community. You can go find loads of footage online of these protest. They are hours long and have lots of locals voicing their views.

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 13:34

Welikebeingcosy · 24/07/2025 13:29

My neighbour is a newly elected Reform councillor. There's huge piles of dog poo all over their garden regularly and I've seen signs of animal cruelty and neglect. They also smoke a lot of weed.

People have no idea who they're voting for when they only follow a single party.

I am in Wales and we now have our first Senedd Reform member (defected from Tories). She uses racist slurs and is generally a nasty piece of work.

Remember all the Reform candidates who had to stand down during the GE because Reform HQ failed to vet them properly?

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 13:35

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 13:31

Don't forget privately educated too before ending up at Oxford, but yeh not highly privileged at all

Don't forget his grammar school was a state school before it became private (without Starmer's input)

Crikeyalmighty · 24/07/2025 13:36

@twistyizzy get your facts right ! He was neither privately educated nor went to oxford for 1st degree, went for his post grad

marshmallowfinder · 24/07/2025 13:37

Many people are absolutely sick of the inaction and the relentless effect of boatload after boatload of young men being absorbed illegaly into this country, who may or may not have suspicious intentions, who we're having to pay for and house and support, when our housing, health services, schools, roads and general society is under severe strain. People are desperate and taking whatever course of action they can to try to stop this completely unsustainable influx.

User135644 · 24/07/2025 13:38

Overtheway · 24/07/2025 13:29

I'm pretty worried about this. I know a few people who openly support reform who would never have wanted to be associated with parties like BNP or UKIP for fear of outing themselves as racist.

It feels like the far right is gaining a scary amount of support atm.

Its not far right to expect our borders to be enforced.

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 13:39

Crikeyalmighty · 24/07/2025 13:36

@twistyizzy get your facts right ! He was neither privately educated nor went to oxford for 1st degree, went for his post grad

He was 100% privately educated. He was educated at a private school. It turned from grammar to private while he was there and his fees were covered by LA ie taxpayer. So yeah, he went to a private school, irrespective of who paid his fees. Or do you think that pupils on bursaries who attend private schools aren't privately educated?

Having a post grad from Oxford literally means Oxford educated 🙄

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 13:40

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 13:35

Don't forget his grammar school was a state school before it became private (without Starmer's input)

Yes but it changed while he was there and in the tradition of Starmer, someone else paid for his fees (ie taxpayer)

Crikeyalmighty · 24/07/2025 13:40

@peanutbuttertoasty in what way? - give examples, because I don’t see that!

Jo1667 · 24/07/2025 13:41

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:48

Nailed it. Lawlessness is exactly what I am seeing on social media. My algorithm was cats and people falling over and hair for ages. Now it’s all shoplifting, women getting harassed and other negative stuff. I keep trying to change it back but it slides that way again. If it’s happening to me online I suspect it’s happening to most people.

I don't see anything like this on my social media. It is still cats, jigsaws and books. I don't search for or look at any 'lawlessness' topics either on social media or via Google. If I did, I'm sure it would start appearing on my socials.

HermioneWeasley · 24/07/2025 13:41

For a few reasons I don’t want Reform to win, but calling people far right/racist/bigots for being concerned about immigration and child rose gangs is a sure fire way to push ordinary people towards them. We saw exactly the same with Brexit - mainstream politicians need to learn the bloody lesson.

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 13:41

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 13:19

Farage and Tice are playing with fire at the moment re: their support for the Epping protests. It could easily blow up in their faces, especially given the neo-Nazi involvement.

You obviously don’t live next to a male migrant hotel. There’s nothing wrong with the Epping protests. If you had one of these next to your school and they were loitering, staring and following your kids home you would be concerned. If one of them was raped you would absolutely lose your shit too.

Male migrant hotels should not be in town centres. Should not be next to schools. And should have tight curfews. These are unvetted men from countries where they do not have the same culture framework or law as us.

Just a few bad eggs 🤔

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/epping-hotel-protests-migrants-neo-nazi-b2795022.html

Epping hotel anti-migrant protests were organised by members of Neo-Nazi groups

Two members of the Homeland Party have been identified as administrators of the Facebook group organising the protests

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/epping-hotel-protests-migrants-neo-nazi-b2795022.html

NotDarkGothicMama · 24/07/2025 13:43

The problem with this sort of thread title is that it makes it sound like a reform government is inevitable. Once that gets into the national psyche, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. So let's not do that!

Have Labour done a good job so far? Maybe in some areas, but it's not like we ever hear about them because good news doesn't interest many people. Have they made a hash of some bits? Yes, but governing a country is really hard and I'm inclined to believe that it's not for lack of effort or good intentions. Farage and his ilk of populist talking heads make governing sound easy but, as we see with the councils they run, it's a lot harder in practice.

The most troublesome part is people disengaging with the nuances of the challenges they see in the news and going for the "let's shake it up" solution. After all, how could Brexit/Trump/Johnson/Reform/Scottish independence possibly make life worse for people who have struggled to make ends meet for years, live in squalid converted office blocks, have no meaningful access to public services and have been fed a steady diet of bad news? These people, and I include myself in that group in some ways, need to see tangible improvements in their standard of living before they have the energy, will or confidence in democratic systems to talk about the hard decisions involved in government.

Crikeyalmighty · 24/07/2025 13:43

@twistyizzy that wasn’t his choice though - he didn’t choose to go to a private school - it became one of- I went to grammar - it became comprehensive in 1975 - I had no say-

Freysimo · 24/07/2025 13:43

Why are you worried, the next election is four years away! A lot can happen between now and then, pointless worrying about it.

mumda · 24/07/2025 13:45

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