This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

No point in me praying - I don't really follow any of the "gods".

I saw this on another post and it’s written by a French person.
Farage has been quoted as saying that he would like to see a French style healthcare system however French healthcare itself is becoming American in operation!

What's also worth looking at is how different the healthcare system is now compared to 30-40 years ago, right here in France.

When people say we had the best healthcare system in the world (or close to it), that's not an exaggeration.

Since then, access to care has gotten worse. It's become incredibly hard to find a general practitioner who's taking new patients, many hospitals have either closed down or lost resources, seeing specialists has become difficult, the quality and amount of reimbursements have decreased... we're increasingly moving towards an American-style system, based on private insurance for reimbursements, so that the wealthy can afford care that's become inaccessible to others.

Healthcare workers are mistreated and underpaid, seeing their working conditions deteriorate and commercial logic taking precedence over patient care.

We're selling off our pharmaceutical companies, which, in any case, have largely outsourced their production, leading to constant shortages...

No, the French healthcare system isn't doing well. And more importantly, it's not getting better. And this is due to political decisions, which didn't start under Macron, of course, but certainly haven't changed since. We know what these political decisions are: they're the same ones implemented every time politicians try to destroy a public system in order to privatize it so their friends can make a killing off the backs of the French people: first make the system unworkable through absurd decisions and budget cuts, so that people have no choice but to turn to the private sector, then they can say that the public system doesn't work properly and needs to be shut down.

Really?!! You think the private water companies are managing our supplies well? The infrastructure is failing with no real infrastructure investment since they were handed it on a plate by Thatcher!

Same for energy, our bills are ridiculously high compared to many other countries.

I think the train companies that have been retaken over by the government are doing much better than when they were in private hands. Same for Manchester buses.

I agree with pretty much everything you have said.

Abortion freedom is such a red line for me that there’s no way I will vote for Reform.

But I do think there’s an issue with saying look closer. A pp posted their tax plans, and my god it’s enticing. That would be soooo helpful to our family. We are small business owners penned in by the VAT threshold and not even living month to month; but day to day as we check have we gone over the elusive 12 month rolling 90K.

We would be eligible for UC due to childcare but it’s too complicated for company directors to apply (rules unclear and even if accepted under a new case worker the decision could be changed and you have to pay back).

We can’t afford to build the company coffers as we need every penny of that 90k turnover to pay for ourselves and our business expense so have very little buffer at times.

It’s an incredibly enticing offer. But I am trying to keep big picture. That this is Trump 2.0 and they want us to be America.

If the NHS privatises what happens to the people who genuinely can’t pay and the asylum seekers or will they somehow still get free healthcare

Imagine how shit they would be if they had been subject to 14 years of tory cuts. Would there be 2 year waiting lists for water like there are for other government "services". How expensive would a mobile phones be if we all still had to go to BT for telecoms services?

Oh, don't worry. They'll still get it fully paid for.

Until 'other people's money' completely runs out, and there's no one left to pay for it all.

This is what is not right

Reform are like Trump, and Johnson in that they say what people want to hear. They promise simple solutions to complex problems without any plan or explanation of how they're going to achieve all of these wonderful things. They're rabble rousers.
It's Brexit all over again.

Dont blame Reform. Blame the woeful state of the established parties that have allowed Reform to emerge.

Net immigration is very high and for illegal immigration very high too with visa over stayers being a bigger category than illegals by boat and other means. We can of course change our laws if we want to do so which is how democracy works and indeed why Labour took power from the Tories. It is a long time until the 2029 election however so for now Labour is just going to have to do its best on this and other issues.

I think that if things carry on, Reform will definitely get in, Labour have turned out to be much bigger liars than the Tories ever were and have turned their backs on the working class, it’s like they literally despise them now. They kow tow to the Unions, the Muslim block vote and the pronoun wankers
Reform will be disasterous in Government but people have been pushed so far that I don’t think they care, being told you’re a RW bigot tends to have that effect.
I really wish the SDP were a bigger party, they are what Labour used to be 50 years ago.

My tiny ex mining village in Staffordshire had a council old folks home in the centre, it’s in the process of being turned into a migrant hostel, people are terrified, rightly or wrongly as it’s close to the infants and primary school.
The already occupied hotel in town has a seemingly permanent police presence and it’s now a nightmare going to the adjoining Lidl.
There are vast swathes of the greater city that are much more suitable with a high Multicultural population so why stick them here?

I find Reform amateurish and as an immigrant I notice racists do vote for Reform even though not all reform supporters are racist. But this is quite off putting. I hope the conservatives can get their act together and go middle right. Labour I just hate to the bone. There's no single competent person on the front bench. None.

What is not right about what?

The liberal elite have destroyed this country.

They have indeed.
I don’t know whether it’s the arrogance of believing they are superior and know what’s best for the unwashed masses or there is a sinister agenda to destroy social cohesion and any notion of ‘family’ .

Smashing the gangs isn't a policy, it's a soundbite to pretend that Labour are doing something. Illegal immigration could be largely stopped in 5 minutes if the will was there, but it's not. 'stop the gangs' is nonsense - locking up drug dealers doesn't stop drugs flooding in.

Labour don't want to stop mass immigration - the headlines and public mood are just an inconvenience.

Starmer and Reeves want benefit bill reduced because the country is bankrupt and they have to save money. But Starmer hasn't got the guts to face down his MPs, or the smarts to win them over. He's got a huge majority ffs, it's ineptitude to not be able to get things through a vote.

Which is all why Farage needs a turn. I'm voting reform at the next election.

If we stopped giving the world on a stick to asylum seekers they wouldn't be so eager to come here. They don't get treated like kings in France.

Sadly Farage is just another Boris Johnson who is all charisma rather than substance. He's good at telling people what's wrong but he hasn't really got any answers.

People will vote Reform just to get rid of Labour and the Tories and there's nothing worth voting for. The one serious MP they had was Rupert Lowe and Farage booted him out.

I'd vote anyone who will actually sort out immigration. Reform will skirt around the edges.

I vote your second theory

I really hope Reform get in at the next election. I will be voting for them. At least it will get rid of this shower.

Yes absolutely

why should they get free health care especially if it is privatised and we have to pay for it

Never in a million years would I have agreed with
this but the other two have messed this country up and the shower we have now are bankrupting everyone aswell . 4 yrs is a long way ahead but right now Reform are probably the closest I align to