This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

[EvangelicalAboutButteredToast]

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

I'm not sure what your point is. "They did it in America therefore we shouldn't do it here?" - is that supposed to be it? I really couldn't care less about some US civil servants whining because they've lost their jobs. They can learn to weld.

You read my original comment correctly: I advocate a drastic and ruthless clear out of the Civil Service. I think if we went back to 2019 levels alone we'd be eliminating 10s of thousands - all added with zero effect on productivity.

We need a figurative bonfire of quangos, laws, and civil servants.

Can we at least hold fire on sacking the whole of the Department of Work and Pensions, as I have a feeling they'll be quite busy when the rest of the Civil Service is in the dole queue?

Farage had to sack one of his party last year when he was caught on video describing autistic people as 'vegetables'.

Kemi Badenoch said autistics have too many privileges, special treatments, and receive too much funding at her Conservative party conference in 2024.

The rhetoric of disabilities = scroungers has been underway since Cameron in 2010.

9000 of the 50,000 adults with Downs Syndrome had Do Not Resuscitate orders slapped into their health records by GPs in 2020-2022, when neither the adult nor their parents/carers/LPAs had been consulted or signed any legal documentation. Most of the patients were young and had no serious health risks that would warrant DNR.

This is what's coming.

A population of nearly 2 million people with developmental conditions and learning disabilities will be sifted into useful and parasite categories.

Farage/Tories will follow RFK and Trump, who are setting up an Autism Register via Trump's Project 2025 to figure out which autistic Americans are not paying taxes or being good little capitalist worker bees.

Just as Dr Hans Asperger did in 1930, under Hitler and the Nazi Party's orders.

It was called Aktion T4.

Idiot. Moron. Imbecile.

The first 2 classifications were sent to the Aktion T4 program and killed. The last classification were spared and used as medical experiments or cheap labour.

300,000 murdered.

The first victim of the Nazi concentration camps - the first person to be sentenced to death - was a 9 year old autistic boy.

A 'mental defective'.

Unfortunately for those of us with developmentalconditions, many of us will be unable to leave.

Farage and the Tories will re open the Imbecile Asylums closed down by Thatcher, as a cost saving exercise to house disabled children and adults, because they'd rather give developers money to build housing developments for cheap immigrant labour or middle class retirement villages, luxury apartments, and other naice schemes that benefit the rich.

The current ATU units will be expanded to keep us locked away from 'normal society' and we will be left to die.

Our peers with high and moderate support needs will be demonised as useless eaters, and slowly pushed out of sight.

This is the reality of a right wing future. It happened before, and will happen again if not stopped.

The disabled are the canary in the coal mine that everyone ignores. Quietly snuffed out while the rest of the country look away.

Exactly this

ThEy'Re GoInG To MaKe LaMpShAdEs FrOm AuTiStIc PeOpLe'S sKiN If ThEy GeT eLeCtEd!!!

LOL.

RE: "Reform Councils are badly ran." No, you just hear about every silly statement and Councillor of theirs makes because the journalist class doesn't like them.

If you want to see "badly ran councils" look at Labour ones which are hundreds of millions in debt, can't pay to have bins collected, have decimated high streets, oh - and facilitated the rape gangs (one even attempted to get a superinjunction to prevent it coming out). Badly ran doesn't cover it.

I do agree that we end up in some absurd situations due to some ECHR rulings but overall I still think it is within our interests to continue to follow them.

When looking to control migration (I’m pro immigration being an immigrant myself but agree it needs to be controlled) illegal immigrants and asylum seekers should not be conflated when looking for solutions. It is not illegal to come here by boat and seek asylum, especially as there are no other “legal” routes available to come to the UK. Solutions should probably include making it easier to apply from external countries eliminating the need to come by boat. Then you ‘stop the boats’ and we can focus on curbing legal migration which is the biggest driver of numbers.

I think you need to calm down. Honestly and maybe take a break from the internet. You seem completely lost down a rabbit hole.

I am not a supporter of reform but I can see why people have had enough.

Governments ignore public sentiment at their own peril- look at Brexit.

There are several things that can and should be done and the majority of the suggestions below are entirely within the power of government.

-halt or severely restrict immigration. This is the vast majority and completely within the power of government.
-in exchange for the millions we pay them, insist the French move the camps to areas where crossings are much more challenging.
-change laws to simplify, then throw money at rapidly processing any immigration claims.
-identity cards for access to public services.
-ensure temporary visa migrants have expiring or flagged NHS numbers so they don’t ‘disappear’ after expiry.

I think that would be a good up idea for the reasons you state.

UK needs to out its own citizens first

I’d be very tempted. Would be taking a highly experienced and skilled intensive care consultant with me though.

You do realise we all benefit from being part of the EHCR? It protects us from our own government should we need that.

Its astonishing how the media have managed to make some of us want to get rid of our own rights and protections that were hard won.

No, "the media" HASN'T made me think this way. Analysis of the facts, my own observation, and my knowledge of this country's history giving me total confidence in its ability to govern itself more effectively and democratically without external interference or the suzerainty of a supranational body has.

4 years is a long time to nurse a protest - this govt isn’t going to fall early due to huge majority.

reform isn’t going to do as well as the current polling because people will have to vote for their local reform candidate and on closer inspection they’ll think well I like Farage but this guy…

plus Labour is banking on their support recovering 1-2 years pre election and that may well happen.

Not if the economy keeps falling at its current rate. Everything they touch turns to shit at the moment, they haven't got the skills to turn it around. They are a party of opposition, not power.

I agree on the economy - you’d think with all the economists we have access to that they’d be able to come up with some growth plans…

yes @twistyizzy true labour’s poll rating may not recover that much.

Rabbit caught in headlights, glitching and buffering because he hasn't got a pre-prepared statement to read from:

https://x.com/HoodedClaw1974/status/1947536223104352326

The whole ‘the tories screwed this’ isn’t a plan is it?

Trouble is they are working against us at the moment but understand what you are saying

Were you severely sleep-deprived when you wrote this garbage? 😆The time you posted it would indicate the possibility…
That’s what I was talking about..the classic example of citing what Hitler and the nazis did in the 40s and spouting that it will happen again 🙄

This is at the heart of the problem the ‘ordinary’ people are seeing. Ordinary people are working hard, for no more money , their bills are higher, they are being taxed (stealthily) more and more and their public services are failing them. But they see, and I think everyone knows someone, people misusing the welfare state , not working, not contributing in any way with a higher standard of living and a lot less worries.
I read the Reform manifesto before the last election. It’s written for these people, it promises them Utopia. But anyone can write anything in a manifesto when they have no chance of having to deliver it.
I find the possibility of a Reform Government terrifying, but if the main parties want to avoid it, the y need to wake up, start being honest about the UK crises (plural) and start having done very difficult conversations.

Of course Reform’s manifesto is written to hardworking people who are fed up. What did you expect? Should their manifesto be written for the upper classes or the hundreds of thousands of “asylum seekers” who will never contribute or the illegal migrants who don’t pay taxes?
And what do you mean they won’t be able to deliver it? Of course they will be. It is also outlined in the manifesto. Wake up!

What is outlined? You mean the costings which were probably written on the back of one of Farage's fag packets and have been widely derided?

Wake up!

If you bothered to click the link you'd see DODGE cut 10's of thousands of civil service jobs and when they realized the country will collapse, they re-hired 10's of thousands.

If you think public sector waste will somehow lift the lives of ordinary people and not doing anything about private sector excesses, bail outs and tax avoidance, no credible economist agrees with you.

But as ever, we don't listen to experts anymore. We just listen to social media posts and russian bots winding up hysteria.

There are no black and white answers I'm afraid, its complicated and hard work, so soundbites sound so much better.

THis man, is going to take over our civil service....oh dear

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c991epp257lo