Why do people like reform?

[TheGoogleMum]

I haven't been keeping very up to date with politics. I usually vote Labour. I don't really understand the popularity of reform, could anyone explain it to me?
As far as I'm aware Farage doesn't actually do anything when he wins a seat somewhere so I'm not convinced they'll actually do anything? Is it just a protest vote that's gone a bit far?

Don’t believe a word of it. NHS funding for ivf is available only to people who have no children - as many as second wife has discovered to her horror.

And haven’t we taken enough people from overseas anyway. Can’t keep beating us with that stick. We weren’t alive and my ancestors were poor

@snughugs

Then why do you keep using non white people in your examples? We don't have an open door system. An open door system means that we just let people into the country with no checks.

We check people before they are given visas and bring in people to fill roles. For example, NHS, hospitality, IT, agriculture or higher education.

That's very easy to check so I'm not sure why you think we have an open door.

Never said they were granted it! Their job was to fill in the forms as they don’t speak good English.

@Jackrussellsaremad

Not wanting a huge influx of people that you're not prepared for is understandable because it puts a lot of pressure on infrastructure and can be unstable. This happens in some African countries because of people fleeing conflict.

Wanting an ethnostate is generally considered far right and associated with Nazis.

May be because you keep going on and on about black and brown folk whereas I just mean foreigners.

We may not have an official open door policy but we have a very lax immigration system. The demographics have changed especially since 2004 when the Polish arrived on mass. They’ve actually integrated quite well most of them but some have been here 10 years and still want interpreters. A lot live in social housing and are not net contributors. If the only immigration we had was that people who paid for themselves and didn’t claim any benefits and spoke English, I’d be fine with that (regardless of the colour of their skin). Plenty migrants manage that. If we are importing people it’s not wrong to want the most beneficial to our own country’s identity and needs.

I'm not sure that's what the PP is hoping for though?

Accusations of "colonialism" seems to resonate with a certain sort of person that use it to explain many of this country's ills but I assume the majority of us aren't hugely interested as it doesn't apply to most people alive now.

@snughugs

You've just given another example of an inbred Pakistani trying to have more inbred children on the NHS.

You're talking about Somali's taking housing and letting teenagers die. You mentioned going to the cinema and being the only white person there. I've lived in a very multicultural area for decades (43%) and never experienced being the only white person at the cinema.

I'm sure you're aware that black and brown people aren't given priority for social housing. It goes to the most vulnerable and the criteria is very strict because of demand.

Because these are all anecdotes, nothing you say can be disproved but again, nothing you say can be proven either.

We had an influx of EE because of the EU but many of those people have left. We needed to fill the vacancies and therefore brought in people from outside the EU.

Who are you going to bring in that are beneficial to our identity?

I wasn't referring to other posters, I was referring to your post:

Would we think it bad if they said they wanted to keep Nigeria mainly for people of their own colour?

That's a description of an ethnostate.

This Cinema was near Harrow it was in a shopping centre and had lots of Asian movies on as well as British on my son’s life the cinema was packed and we were the the only white people in the cinema. I’m sure some on here will be able to recognise the cinema and confirm this is indeed a likely story. We went to a restaurant a restaurant a few nights as we were in the Premier Inn in Kenton and if you are there. African Immigrants would come and beg for money whilst I’m eating a steak, bold right up to the table. So we thought we’d try the restaurants, again only whites people in them. Nice food but not typical British Indian food.
Let me add this true story from the same stay. My toilet got blocked at this Premier Inn and I told the women on reception who scolded me for putting toilet paper down the toilet. I told her the pipes in this country are fine don’t tell me off anyway had an argument she gets the Manager who tells her “yea you can flush loo paper down the toilet”. She never apologised for scolding me and telling me off either.

@snughugs Africans were inside a Premier Inn begging? You're saying that you went to see an Asian film and were shocked that the people watching the film were Asian?

Fascinating as the toilet paper story is, going back to the topic: Who are you going to bring in that are beneficial to our identity?

Ok so you think that Nigeria would be unreasonable to want to keep Nigeria a majority black country.

I'm not arguing a point by the way, I'm just trying to see things from an alternative perspective as to what hypothetically would be considered reasonable in a country other than the UK.

You seem to be blinking in the headlights of far right ideology, unaware of what you speak. You're perfectly aware that wanting to keep a country restricted to a particular race or ethnicity is far right.

It's perfectly acceptable to have strict immigration control, all countries have that right. What's not acceptable is only allowing people into the country if they are the same colour as the majority.

I'm quite surprised that this needs to be explained.

Yes Africans came inside daily to go round people tables begging. This is true and everyday the manager eventually removed them. I’m sure people who know the area will confirm this to be true. It was very annoying.

i didn’t go and see an Indian film. I saw so Marvel thing. If you’re in such doubt I’ve looked up where I went St George’s Vue cinema, go along you may find the odd white person when you go but I highly doubt you’ll feel like it’s white British, at all! It’s more like “wow there’s someone who looks like me”.

I’ve told you before well educated, skilled people who are self sufficient (regardless of colour). I cap would be sensible too. Is that radical?

You don't need to "explain" anything to me. It's useful if you are making a claim to look at equivalent situations.

You are aware that the UK is ethnically diverse and that it's perfectly acceptable for those not of the same colour as you to go to the cinema. How do you know they were all immigrants?

We already have quite strict criteria on who we give visas to. In fact I believe the savings and earnings caps went up not too long ago.

Apparently I do as you seem painfully unaware that you're talking about far right ideology. Most people know that restricting people by colour into a country is not acceptable.

Yes, I know the cinema and totally get where you are coming from.

Oh stop it. You are being ridiculous. You can examine issues without labelling everything and everyone. I thought we were past all this dog whistle stuff and could have a proper discussion without.casting aspersions on everyone else's character and intentions.

I just asked the question does it apply to all countries or just the UK. Bearing in mind the left often consider the UK a racist and colonialist power (still, apparently) so their view can often be skewed.

I'm not being ridiculous, wanting to only allow people of the same colour into the country is far right ideology. It means you want an ethnostate. You can put some window dressing on it to make it more palatable but that's what it is.

I wasn't actually arguing for an ethnostate. I wanted to know whether the argument applied to all countries rather than just the UK. Someone did waffle on that it was acceptable in Africa but not the UK. I think it was you.

Let's leave it here. Its getting a bit silly now.

That’s not ethnically diverse though, that’s my point. Diverse would imply a certain amount of white people in a white Christian country. I’m not kidding you when I went into the Indian I got reaction like “What are you doing in this place?”. Again only we were the only whites in there and the fellow patrons looked confused we were there and stared. Nice meal, bit weird and got aniseed stuff at the end instead of mints. Staff were very nice but I felt like I was in another country and this wasn’t an area for white people. I didn’t have a clue what any of the stuff on the menu was and I had to get the waiter to translate and describe every dish, he was very happy to.

Like going to Southall

I didn't say that any African countries had an ethnostate. I haven't waffled either, that's very dismissive. I would stop digging as well.