Why do people like reform?

[TheGoogleMum]

I haven't been keeping very up to date with politics. I usually vote Labour. I don't really understand the popularity of reform, could anyone explain it to me?
As far as I'm aware Farage doesn't actually do anything when he wins a seat somewhere so I'm not convinced they'll actually do anything? Is it just a protest vote that's gone a bit far?

It said on the news that the new pope is a Reform-er.

People vote Reform because they are gullible, vote for the person rather than the policies, lap up the lies of the tabloid press, and are inclined to be inward-looking, subconsciously racist and anti-muslim.

Can’t even begin to imagine the scale of penances you’ll need to undertake after that one. 😂

@GlobeTrotter2000

"Sadly the situation right now is dire and folk are fucked off to the back teeth of all the government and their promise of this that and the other and that’s why folk are voting for Reform because they seem to have the balls to do what they say where others don’t. You can’t blame people for being pissed off seeking change"

I get the logic of people seeking "change". However Reform's policies are only sound bites with no details on how they could be delivered as well as being massively underfunded.

That said the classic pushback that all Reform voters are thick and racist is lame and in itself intolerant and uneducated.

Reform just say what people want to hear. They have no plans to actually deliver any of the things they promise. Remember the £350m per week Reform claimed would be pumped into the NHS after Brexit? Funny how that never happened isn’t it? It’ll be exactly the same if they ever had any power. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Seriously? So it’s ok for 18 years old British girls to die freezing in tents whilst Somalian refugees get nice hotel rooms? Remember Home Office house these asylum seeker the council deal with our homeless (plus once they get refugee status).

It’s ok for 50% of social housing in London to be in the hands of first generation immigrants.

This is ruining the country no one would mind if they were Drs and Phds but as many in my family are Drs I know they can pretty much immigrate anywhere in the first place and don’t need to go on a boat, these men on boats are not highly skilled Drs and Engineers. We are and have been since 2003 importing poor and unskilled people.
Yes they work hard whilst universal credit is topping up their wages to pay for rent but are not net contributors.

All the people I know who slag off Reform voter don’t have a clue what’s really going on and think they’re being good people. How bad does this situation have to get before folk like yourself realise this country has been wrecked through recent mass immigration. Generations back it was done slower which was better for its citizens and meant new comers had to integrate.

I first opened in business in 1997. It was easy to make good money and charge appropriately. Once 2004 hit can I could see the change. I’ve been fine been able to buy and invest at the right times but for young people this is awful. The population increase has been extremely unfair to those living here. I actually don’t want to live in a multicultural society. I’ve plenty friends of different races and religions but I don’t want to be the only white person. I once went to the Cinema with my son in the North of London we were the only white people in the whole cinema. Do you think their country would be thrilled at the mass immigration of low skilled British people to work, claim benefits and be housed at the cost to their own people? Obviously not, that’s common sense.

@snughugs
Is it fair to say that you're a white nationalist and don't want black and brown people in the country?

Do you think Reform are going to blanket ban black and brown people from entering the country? Are you in favour of authoritarianism? Because the only way remigration and banning non white people is going to happen is if we have an authoritarian government that breaks the law.

@JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn

Remember the £350m per week Reform claimed would be pumped into the NHS after Brexit?

Take a look at

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-has-brexit-meant-for-the-nhs/

Since 2016, NHS funding increased by approximately £400 million per week

This increase in the budget owed nothing to diverting savings from leaving the EU (though it may have owed something to Brexit’s political ramifications). Brexit has had an economic impact roughly as severe as was predicted: spending has had to come from taxes, borrowing and squeezing other departments.

Read your own information.

A pp posted this and I think it sums up this reply succinctly….. 🥱

That said the classic pushback that all Reform voters are thick and racist is lame and in itself intolerant and uneducated

@Maitri108

Savings (estimated at £9 billion per year) from leaving the EU were quickly consumed by spending on COVID, estimated to be £400 billion and subsidised energy, estimated to be £100 billion.

So, extra funding for the NHS had to come from other sources. Relatives who work in the NHS suggest that the extra funding is still not enough.

All you have to do is show you're not. I keep seeing Reformers who say they want a calm and reasonable debate and have yet to see it.

The thing I’d really like to see its supporters discuss is Reform’s economic policy.

@Maitri108

All you have to do is show you're not.

How? And by doing what? Who will set the rules and enforce them?

It really can;t be any worse than Rachel's economic illiteracy.

What a strange perspective. What rules? Please lead the calm and reasonable debate about Reform.

For example, which policies you support and why you support them. We've pretty much gone over immigration so perhaps their other policies you're so keen on. I'm very interested to hear your views.

I'm still waiting for your informed opinion on how Reform are going to lower taxes and do what's in their contract.

@blossomtoes

Take a look at

www.reformparty.uk

They're as likely to do it as Rachel's likelihood of creating economic growth, i.e. no chance whatsoever.

Do you know her? How exciting.

@Maitri108

Reform policy of no tax for those earning less than £20K. If it gets people off benefits, it should cover the lost tax revenue.

No IHT for estates under £2 million. Due to high cost of housing young people need help to get on the property ladder. The fewer people who have property in the future the less assets they will have to fund their retirement and care requirements. So, you might end up with more people being paid for by local councils which pushes up council tax.

Scrap IR35 for contractors. This makes it easier for contractors to move around for work as they can claim cost of accommodation and travel.

I would say this has been one of the most reasonable and calm threads on a topic that can often get heated.

Yes, good policies, especially the highly damaging IR35 that has done untold harm to the economy. Yes, "something" needed to be done about abuse, but IR35 is absolutely stupid - all because of NIC - again. Time to scrap it!

We definitely need new ideas and not the tired old ideas that keep getting trotted out, tweaked etc by lazy civil servants and politicians.

Yes I'm aware that they've promised tax cuts. However we have public services cut to the bone. Do you think it's possible to deliver their promises while cutting taxes?

Yes, targeted tax cuts can grow the economy like we've seen previously both in the UK and abroad.