Reform party

[TalkToTheHand123]

Will Reform win any votes at the local elections?

The discussion is about Reform, the local elections and "small boats". Asylum seekers can't claim benefits.

You can do that whilst respecting human rights.

Lots of European countries that take more than us are also a lot larger than us. The point regarding France is these people say they are fleeing persecution, surely you’d stay in the first safe place you come across and not risk your life again by crossing the channel in a dinghy?

Illegal immigrants can't claim benefits, that's why they work cash in hand and are vulnerable to modern slavery.

As I posted before Migrants in the UK on visas, illegally or seeking asylum are usually ineligible for welfare benefits and social housing. This is referred to as having ‘no recourse to public funds’, or ‘NRPF’.

Can we not just deport all of the racist fuckwits off to Rwanda instead? I'd pay a hefty fee for Rwanda to take them off our hands.

Or if Rwanda doesn't want them, and we're not going to worry about human rights any more, perhaps we can just shoot them up into orbit instead? The planet would certainly be a much better place for not having people like the OP on it.

Put them in tents on Dover beach, feed them bread and water then give them some dinghies. Then the army can take pot shots at them.

Yes but they do receive money and many people would refer to that as benefits due to the nature of the payment.

They're not entitled to benefits. They're given £50 a week and a roof over their heads. They can access the NHS.

The problem here is that the Reform brigade actively WANT to believe all the lies about immigrants. They WANT to conflate immigrants (people entitled to work here) with asylum seekers (not entitled to work here and don't get benefits) because it suits their xenophobic narrative.

They're the people who don't care how bad they have it, as long as the people they hate most have it worse.

You can explain international law to them until the cows come home but it will do you no good because they're all going 'lalala I'm not listening'.

They don’t receive benefits but they do receive a small amount of money which someone people would refer to as benefits given the nature of the payment.

I also agree that cash in hard work is used by employers to take advantage of people and that’s not just against immigrants.

Yes so I will repeat myself.

They do not receive benefits but they are given a small amount of money that some people refer to as benefits due to the nature of the payment.

We’re not disagreeing right now.

What do you think of Labour’s idea of using hubs in the Balkans?

I was responding to this:

I think you’ve misunderstood her. I believe what she meant was that some work cash in hand and do claim benefits without declaring their work. That’s why she said as top up to cash in hand. People that claim benefits but also work and declare often call benefits a “top up” to their earnings.

As they are not allowed to work, how else are they going to pay for food, clothes etc?

A £49 per week allowance is hardly luxury.

The OP wants them to stay in a tent on the beach, living on bread and water.

people are allowed uninformed opinions, yes you’re right

they are allowed to support or vote for a party based on a limited understanding of what that party stands for. They can even offer public support based on very limited understanding.

but by god should they also be allowed to be challenged on that.

This plan?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/yvette-cooper-government-balkans-labour-channel-b2735893.html

Do you know what you’re referencing without realising it? The fact that working class people are impacted by immigration the most and they feel it the most in their communities.

Yes they do have a problem with immigration levels and asylum seekers in the same way and so they put them all under the same umbrella. Do working class people generally take an interest in international law or have the time to read up extensively on issues? NO. So yes there is a degree of ignorance for some of the supporters but it’s not wilful (for the majority). They want a solution to the problems they’re facing which are related to immigration and a lack of integration and so on. And when we are talking about asylum seekers, it’s often the case that they see they add them in with immigrants and illegals immigrants because whether or not they’re seeking asylum they are still impacting these communities in the same way. And there are cases spread about people claiming asylum when they don’t need it.

I’m not saying I agree with these views entirely but there are reasons that reform supporters have. It’s gaining quite a bit of popularity and you’re going to seem a bit ignorant if you put that all down to xenophobia.

Yep the one talked about recently where Labour will use hubs. Good, bad? Views on that

We have a biased MSM and the racists spouting crap all over Facebook. It's depressing reading how anything can be turned into a racist rant.

And OP can you tell me how do asylum seekers can get here legally?

I think it could work well, what do you think?

Yes challenged but in a way that’s helpful surely? This thread was full of people being rude to her and we were at dog pile levels with little jabs.

I mean sure you can be rude and unwelcoming of her into conversation but is that the type of person you are?

When gentle probing led to responses that exposed what looked very much like ignorant bigotry rather than a genuine concern about immigration levels I found it hard to object to a little rudeness if I’m honest

Have you read how the OP talks about refugees? Taking away their human rights, break international law to stop them claiming asylum, put them in tents on the beach etc

But posters should be kind to her?

Work well to do what?

To house failed asylum seekers.

What do you think about the plan?