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Is anyone watching this Trump car crash?

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soundsys · 02/04/2025 21:36

WTF is happening? It’s like some bizarre performance art piece.

He’s holding up signs and shouting and throwing out hats it’s just 🤯

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llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:14

TopPocketFind · 14/04/2025 16:01

It has to do with the Trump administration so in line with this thread

No. It has nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:15

pointythings · 14/04/2025 16:01

You were the first to raise the ECHR, and you posted erroneous information. Now you're being challenged, you're suddenly the thread police. Hahahahaha no.

I most certainly was not. Read the thread. You will find that honour goes to one of your group.

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:16

Igotjelly · 14/04/2025 16:04

I think what we can assert from that is that @llizzie doesnt believe they do have any rights.

Rubbish

TulipTiptoer · 14/04/2025 16:17

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:13

What has that to do with Trump's tariffs which is the subject of the thread.

I was wrong to reply to lawpluslaw, who picked up on my 'chance' comment re China, upon which country Trump imposed the biggest tariff, and which China asked the EU to join in with China to contest the tariffs.

There was absolutely no intention to divert from the thread. What it did, though, was to give the nasties on this site the opportunity to post personal hatred.

I am not posting 'personal hatred' but I will not be told what I can and can't post on a thread that moves in all sorts of directions because of the nature of the subject.... Trump.
Don't take that comment from me personally by the way. I would say it to anyone who tries to police a thread!

To add.... go back to your post of 14.20, it was you championing leaving the ECHR.

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:21

thepariscrimefiles · 14/04/2025 16:11

Try what again? To make you look foolish? It worked first time.

Is that a confession?

ElbowsUp · Today 02:28
My goodness do I hope the UK doesnt leave the ECHR. Not that Labour would, and I'm not sure the Tories would either...but if Reform were to win...
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The OP mentioned Trump and the boards he was lifting up for his trade war. My post was entirely to do with that.

Igotjelly · 14/04/2025 16:22

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:09

lawpluslaw was the first poster to turn the subject from the thread about tariffs imposed by Trump and the much higher tariff he imposed on China. From my chance remark about China's human rights record might not be to everyone's taste. I mentioned nothing about the EU and the court of human rights.

If you can see something else in my post, then that is up to you entirely.

It would, and I think they have.
Going further, I think the EU and Britain would do well to listen to China's offer of discussions.
Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.
However, we must guard against being flooded with cheap goods no one wants. Having said that, I don't think China would flood the market, because they can change their factories to produce anything else, so the cost of changing products is not so great as it is in the west.

though how else can you control such a large population

Sorry but what the fuck?

lawpluslaw · 14/04/2025 16:23

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:13

What has that to do with Trump's tariffs which is the subject of the thread.

I was wrong to reply to lawpluslaw, who picked up on my 'chance' comment re China, upon which country Trump imposed the biggest tariff, and which China asked the EU to join in with China to contest the tariffs.

There was absolutely no intention to divert from the thread. What it did, though, was to give the nasties on this site the opportunity to post personal hatred.

@llizzie

Going further, I think the EU and Britain would do well to listen to China's offer of discussions.
Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.

You posted the above, which I picked up on with a pointed joke about a lot of Brexiters wanting to get out of the ECHR, so human rights not really being paramount to some people. You picked up on that, incorrectly, as agreement, and chose to launch into a post about immigrants. I then posted to distance myself from your agreement.

But that's how conversations between humans go. They veer off course sometimes.

In the meantime, your attempts to police the thread have diverted from the topic far more than anything else.

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:28

TulipTiptoer · 14/04/2025 16:17

I am not posting 'personal hatred' but I will not be told what I can and can't post on a thread that moves in all sorts of directions because of the nature of the subject.... Trump.
Don't take that comment from me personally by the way. I would say it to anyone who tries to police a thread!

To add.... go back to your post of 14.20, it was you championing leaving the ECHR.

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No, it is not about the Trump administration. I suggest you read again.

It is entirely to do with the way Trump lifted up the boards and Trump's imposition of tariff charges to every country in the world - including one inhabited with penguins.

Do you people even KNOW what Trump was talking about?

The OP described the boards Trump was showing to everyone.

I regret very much what I said, because it gave posters the chance to bicker and quarrel. I should not have mentioned China at all were it not for the fact that they had to largest tariff imposed. I did, and gave those posters who know nothing about tariffs something to comment on and hijack the thread to something they think they know more about.

Since then, he has announced a 90 day reprieve on all but China.

pointythings · 14/04/2025 16:28

Pointing out that someone has posted incorrect information is not 'nasty' or 'mean'. Unless you're as thin skinned as Trump.

TulipTiptoer · 14/04/2025 16:29

Igotjelly · 14/04/2025 16:22

though how else can you control such a large population

Sorry but what the fuck?

Perhaps we need to be 'controlled' by coming out of the ECHR!

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:30

lawpluslaw · 12/04/2025 17:25

Plus, I thought half the reason we left the EU was so we wouldn't be burdened by their pesky human rights courts.

(sort of joking)

This was the first mention of EU:

Plus, I thought half the reason we left the EU was so we wouldn't be burdened by their pesky human rights courts.
(sort of joking)

TulipTiptoer · 14/04/2025 16:31

'sort of joking' but meaning it going by your post of 14.20

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:34

Alexandra2001 · 14/04/2025 15:31

@llizzie
If i'm not mistaken, you started the thread derail with a demand to leave the ECHR....

Most cannot get LA because the Tories changed the rules on getting it many years ago, in the 2010's... they didn't have too, again a UK driven issue, nothing to do with 'migrants.

...and now you want it shut down because you cannot deal with the fallout from your views!

Kinda like Trump!

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Wrong:

ElbowsUp · Today 02:28
My goodness do I hope the UK doesnt leave the ECHR. Not that Labour would, and I'm not sure the Tories would either...but if Reform were to win...

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:36

TulipTiptoer · 14/04/2025 16:17

I am not posting 'personal hatred' but I will not be told what I can and can't post on a thread that moves in all sorts of directions because of the nature of the subject.... Trump.
Don't take that comment from me personally by the way. I would say it to anyone who tries to police a thread!

To add.... go back to your post of 14.20, it was you championing leaving the ECHR.

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ElbowsUp · Today 02:28
My goodness do I hope the UK doesnt leave the ECHR. Not that Labour would, and I'm not sure the Tories would either...but if Reform were to win...
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llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:49

Igotjelly · 10/04/2025 10:22

Just so I’m clear are you saying that we don’t live in a time when hybrid warfare is prevalent between Russia and the West? When the Russians aren’t setting fire to IKEA stores, running spy rings out of Great Yarmouth or potentially sabotaging the French rail networks? I want to work out quite how far down the pro Kremlin hole you are. Of course if those things did indeed happen (which they have, alongside others) then it’s far less conspiratorial to think that there MIGHT (not saying there was on this instance) have been the chance of Russian state involvement in a tanker collision between a Russian crewed vessel and a ship carrying fuel to support the US in times of conflict.

Was this in keeping with the thread re Trump's tariffs?

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:55

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 09:40

Sorry to cause some confusion I included the China conspiracy reference as irony which is a bit like sarcasm only more intellectual.

Given my previous comments on conspiracy theories I thought it would be ironic to include one - I tried to make it clear that it was irony by labelling it as a conspiracy theory and stating that there was no evidence to it but clearly it went clean over your head.

And lastly just to avoid any further misunderstanding "irony" is not a type of metal.

Another intention to change the thread to something more easily understood?

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:56

Igotjelly · 02/04/2025 21:48

It’s so awful it’s riveting!

Now this is connected with the thread.

pointythings · 14/04/2025 16:57

llizzie · 14/04/2025 16:49

Was this in keeping with the thread re Trump's tariffs?

You really need to stop it with policing the thread, because otherwise I'm going to spam this thread with cat photos and cake recipes. Although the latter could be relevant, because cake often contains eggs, and egg prices are a thing Trump is worried about so who knows?

TulipTiptoer · 14/04/2025 17:01

Where is this thread titled 'Trump's tariffs'?

PocketSand · 14/04/2025 17:02

Robert Peston is a useful source:

We just learned that the world’s most powerful person, Donald Trump, has a boss: the bond market.

He may not have acknowledged this to himself, yet, but the global financial tumult he caused - and has temporarily eased - has locked him in a fiscal prison.

Because, as I have been saying for 24 hours, he came perilously close yesterday to having caused such an extreme fall in the price of US government debt that it would have become prohibitively expensive for his administration to fund a large deficit - more than 6% of GDP - and also to refinance the almost $8 trillion of government debt that matures in the coming year (almost a third of America’s sovereign debt).

The point is he is totally in hock to the good will of bonds investors.

And when he announced his reckless roster of massive tariffs eight days ago he alienated them, because they feared he would tank the economy such that tax revenues would plummet and the deficit would balloon.

So they sold US government bonds, Treasuries, and the yield on the bonds - the de facto interest rate - soared.

Which is why Trump blinked, and put on hold the more extreme tariffs, except for the 140% on China, for 90 days.

You might think the worst part of this is the uncertainty he has created for businesses and investors for the next 90 days. Since no one in their right minds would make a major US investment till the final tariff determinations are made.

But the cancerous uncertainty is not the worst of it.

The worst of it is he has shredded any respect that overseas governments and investors might have had for America’s economic and fiscal competence.

Shades - you might say - of how Truss and Kwarteng’s unwise unfunded tax cuts undermined the perceived fiscal competence of the UK.

But unlike Truss and Kwarteng, there is pretty much no mechanism for removing Trump.

All of which means that bond and stock markets will remain fragile and volatile - fearful that Trump will regain his mojo and engage in some other fiscal extravagance.

He has also handed a loaded gun to his perceived enemy, China, and his supposed ally Japan.

This matters in both cases, because he is engaged in the mother of all trade wars with China - and Japan wants a trade deal with him that would see it escape mega tariffs.

The loaded guns they have are their massive loans to the US government. Japan owns more than a trillion dollars of US Treasuries and China not much less.

If they were to sell those bonds, or even if they chose not to refinance maturing bonds, that could be a disaster for Trump. Because it could cause another potentially crippling spike in bond yields.

Here is the measure of Trump’s debacle.

He may well have trashed America’s single most important financial competitive advantage, namely that investors have traditionally bought the dollar and US Treasuries at a time of economic and political uncertainty.

No more - because he personally has become the world’s source of economic uncertainty snd anxiety.

So, as I say he, is now in a fiscal prison. And if bond investors, including Japan and China, see him imposing tariffs or cutting taxes in ways they don’t like, they learned yesterday they have the means and power to stop him.

TopPocketFind · 14/04/2025 17:09

Trump is meeting Bukele right now, as per the thread title, it's a car crash concerning human rights

And humanity

llizzie · 14/04/2025 17:11

I suppose this had EVERYTHING to do with the thread?

So you start derailing many threads?

pointythings · 14/04/2025 17:18

llizzie · 14/04/2025 17:11

I suppose this had EVERYTHING to do with the thread?

So you start derailing many threads?

It's a satire post referencing the tariffs. So yep, definitely to do with the thread. Also you are still thread policing, so this is me following through on my promise.

Is anyone watching this Trump car crash?
lawpluslaw · 14/04/2025 17:20

llizzie · 14/04/2025 17:11

I suppose this had EVERYTHING to do with the thread?

So you start derailing many threads?

Seriously what the actual fuck are you talking about? I think you're deranged.

But, because you seem to have some kind of problem, I'm reposting this to explain what happened.

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You posted:

Going further, I think the EU and Britain would do well to listen to China's offer of discussions.
Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.

I picked up on that with a pointed joke about a lot of Brexiters wanting to get out of the ECHR, so human rights not really being paramount to some people.

You chose to take that, incorrectly, as agreement, and launched into a post about immigrants.

I then posted to distance myself from your agreement.

But that's how conversations between humans go. They veer off course sometimes.

In the meantime, your attempts to police the thread have diverted from the topic far more than anything else.

HTH

Igotjelly · 14/04/2025 17:21

@llizzie give it a rest. @mnhq surely this level of thread policing/derailing is against some sort of rule?

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