Is anyone watching this Trump car crash?

[soundsys]

WTF is happening? It’s like some bizarre performance art piece.

He’s holding up signs and shouting and throwing out hats it’s just 🤯

Yes. I quite like the fact I have freedom of expression, torture and slavery is prohibited, and I am entitled to a fair trial within the justice system. Oh, and the fact I can go on a protest march and not be thrown into a gulag with no redress.

Anyway on, Trump's stupid statement that the war would never have happened if he had been President. Bollocks. What would he have done when those tanks were lining up ready to invade Ukraine I wonder. Putin treats him as a useful idiot, Trump could not have stopped anything.

I was interested in your post and the cutting you included. Yesterday was Palm Sunday and I thought about what the different administrations had done for the brave people of Ukraine. :The words are my own.

'I see my God through the eyes of Jesus Christ. Today is Palm Sunday, when a man of peace was hailed by the people who the next day executed him.

America was supplying military aid to Ukraine in Biden's administration, helping them defend themselves against the Russian invasion.

Last month, Trump withdrew that aid, knowing that his friend Putin would step up his effort to destroy Ukraine.

There is a stark similarity here, to the Gospel'.

@llizzie
If i'm not mistaken, you started the thread derail with a demand to leave the ECHR....

Most cannot get LA because the Tories changed the rules on getting it many years ago, in the 2010's... they didn't have too, again a UK driven issue, nothing to do with 'migrants.

...and now you want it shut down because you cannot deal with the fallout from your views!

Kinda like Trump!

This is NOT the subject of the thread.

This is NOT the subject of the thread. Please do not hijack the thread to impose your views on posters.

This is NOT the subject of the thread. Start your own if you want to discuss human rights.

Just a simple question

Back to the US then, do you think the people deported to El Salvador have human rights?

This is NOT the subject of the thread. Start another on human rights.

This is NOT the subject of the thread.

This is not the subject of the thread. I was wrong to even post about human rights on it, but did so in response to a more relevant thread.

You pick up on a chance remark and hijack the thread to something you may or may not know more about.

Find an appropriate thread, or start another.

Excuse me but you were the one who posted the following:

Why? The ECHR is the reason why we cannot get rid of the illegal boat migrants which are costing the taxpayer billions each year.

They are put up in hotels, no council tax, water bills, energy bills to pay and £50 a week pocket money.

...and people in Britain are homeless.

I was responding to the above. You were the one who is posting stuff that isn't the subject of the thread. You are weirdly hypocritical.

But all ok for you to start, on this thread, the subject of Human Rights...

Boo hoo.... but unfortunately for you, you re not the thread police nor do you work for MNHQ, so we can ignore you.. sorry.

My mention of human rights was in response to the post about the tariffs imposed on China, which is the subject of the thread. China had asked for parley with the EU in response to Trump's punishing tariffs.

I posted this:

''Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.''

That post was not intended to hijack the thread, nor did it. The Tariffs put on China by Trump is very much to the point of the thread. Indeed, the tariffs caused so much criticism that Trump to give a 90 day reprieve - on all countries except China.

My comment was not to dismiss China so easily.

It has nothing to do with tariffs imposed by Trump.

Try again.

My mention of human rights was in response to the post about the tariffs imposed on China, which is the subject of the thread. China had asked for parley with the EU in response to Trump's punishing tariffs.

I posted this:
''Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.''

That post was not intended to hijack the thread, nor did it. The Tariffs put on China by Trump is very much to the point of the thread. Indeed, the tariffs caused so much criticism that Trump to give a 90 day reprieve - on all countries except China.

My comment was not to dismiss China so easily.

try again

My mention of human rights was in response to the post about the tariffs imposed on China, which is the subject of the thread. China had asked for parley with the EU in response to Trump's punishing tariffs.

I was wrongly drawn into responding to the poster who took up my chance remark.

I suggest you either desist from calling me out, or start another thread.

I posted this:
''Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.''

That post was not intended to hijack the thread, nor did it. The Tariffs put on China by Trump is very much to the point of the thread. Indeed, the tariffs caused so much criticism that Trump to give a 90 day reprieve - on all countries except China.

My comment was not to dismiss China so easily.

Find an appropriate thread, or start another

Stop telling people what to post. If posts go against talk guidelines, report them. If not, you have no right to continually pick up on posts when you were the one talking of ECHR

That post was not intended to hijack the thread, nor did it.

Well it did! Down to you

I am merely pointing out that you have posted incorrect information on UK nationals and their ability to access the ECHR. Your wider point about legal costs and access to justice is valid, but you specifically attacked the ECHR. You asked whether any UK national had ever been able to access it, as if it were different to UK courts in general. You were given two examples of just that (there are in fact many others).

So you were wrong to single out the ECHR for criticism. You are also wrong to refer to asylum seekers arriving in small boats as 'illegal ', despite this having been explained many, many times on these forums. So either you still don't understand, or you don't want to understand.

The joy of Mumsnet is that if you post lies or inaccuracies, you will be corrected. It's a great opportunity to learn.

It has to do with the Trump administration so in line with this thread

You were the first to raise the ECHR, and you posted erroneous information. Now you're being challenged, you're suddenly the thread police. Hahahahaha no.

@llizzie you are the one derailing then throwing up your hands because people called out your bigotry. I’d argue talking about human rights and ‘othering’ of migrants is fine.

I think what we can assert from that is that @llizzie doesnt believe they do have any rights.

lawpluslaw was the first poster to turn the subject from the thread about tariffs imposed by Trump and the much higher tariff he imposed on China. From my chance remark about China's human rights record might not be to everyone's taste. I mentioned nothing about the EU and the court of human rights.

If you can see something else in my post, then that is up to you entirely.

It would, and I think they have.
Going further, I think the EU and Britain would do well to listen to China's offer of discussions.
Their human rights might be questionable by a lot of people (though how else can you control such a large population) but they certainly know their way round manufacturing and enabling people to have the opportunity for goods they otherwise wouldn't afford.
However, we must guard against being flooded with cheap goods no one wants. Having said that, I don't think China would flood the market, because they can change their factories to produce anything else, so the cost of changing products is not so great as it is in the west.

Try what again? To make you look foolish? It worked first time.

What has that to do with Trump's tariffs which is the subject of the thread.

I was wrong to reply to lawpluslaw, who picked up on my 'chance' comment re China, upon which country Trump imposed the biggest tariff, and which China asked the EU to join in with China to contest the tariffs.

There was absolutely no intention to divert from the thread. What it did, though, was to give the nasties on this site the opportunity to post personal hatred.