Illegal immigration - thread no. 101

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People smugglers are offering migrants a discount for crossing the Channel if they film their journey so it can be promoted on social media.

Migrants are encouraged to film the journeys and then post them on TikTok, Snapchat, Instagram and Facebook in order to lure others into making the dangerous crossings.

In return, they get a cheaper crossing as the footage boosts business for the smugglers.

The new tactic was revealed by Paul Brisley, from the National Crime Agency (NCA), which has been taking down the social media posts in an attempt to stem the crossings.

You misunderstand me @Bromptotoo . I know all those exist, but the thresholds are not very demanding: ILR is a 5 year qualification period -- so make it 10 years, for example.

In early 2000s it was via lorries. Peak numbers that way until the clamp down.

If not small boats then what are you thinking of?

Well I really hope they do! We are an island; we can't cope with a million new people per year, most of whom are unskilled and can't speak the language.

Sure let's bring in skilled and qualified people if we need them. But that's not the majority of immigration.

We should also have clear rules about being able to speak English and conforming to Western cultural norms such as tolerance, women's rights, gay rights etc.

They do jump the NHS queues TBF. Without having made any contribution to the UK. This means that a person coming in is treated better than someone from the UK with the same condition, as the PP said

Agree. The Boris wave is a ticking immigrants time bomb, the 5 years soon expiring for ILR.

Do they actually jump whole waiting lists?

Or are they just prioritised for triage in A&E like other people who are potentially vulnerable?

Overstayers? People who arrive on valid visas but don’t leave when they expire. The UK government forces aren’t great at finding them, and I doubt they are net contributors.

https://news.sky.com/story/i-had-no-idea-how-life-would-be-inside-the-lives-of-those-who-overstay-their-visas-and-go-underground-12931042

I feel like this is an interesting observation.

I would say most people don’t have an issue with anyone coming in for a better life for their family, better job prospects, better housing, better education for their kids. Isn’t that what we all want ultimately, and why many Brits choose to move abroad, to France, to Australia, to USA, wherever they feel their lives will improve.

What a lot of us have issue with is the hordes of young males 18-30 coming over here with no money, no discernible skills, and no regard for our laws, our culture and our women.

Here's a quote from a report done by the Telegraph (which you can take as acceptable.source or not as you wish)

Guy’s and St Thomas’s Hospital, in south-east London, offers a dedicated “refugees and asylum seekers service” in Lambeth and Southwark. According to the trust’s website, those who can benefit from the service include undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been refused the right to live here. Many of the services listed resemble those that ordinary Britons routinely wait days or even weeks to see their GP about, including “treatment for minor illnesses and ailments… medicines reviews, support and management… long-term condition reviews, management and referrals”.

Looks.like two tier NHS service to me.

Here's a quote from a report done by the Telegraph (which you can take as acceptable.source or not as you wish)

Guy’s and St Thomas’s Hospital, in south-east London, offers a dedicated “refugees and asylum seekers service” in Lambeth and Southwark. According to the trust’s website, those who can benefit from the service include undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been refused the right to live here. Many of the services listed resemble those that ordinary Britons routinely wait days or even weeks to see their GP about, including “treatment for minor illnesses and ailments… medicines reviews, support and management… long-term condition reviews, management and referrals”.

Looks.like two tier NHS service to me.

Because of where they're located. We're hidden away on island thousands of miles away and they still flock to come here for the benefits.

Visa overstays and the like.

The French are right. ID.cards are an answer. Sad as it's such a lovely thing that the UK is one of the few countries you don't need them but unfortunately politicians have ruined that by failing to sort out the numbers pouring in.

Apologies..no idea why my posts keep getting posted twice.

Guy’s and St Thomas’s Hospital, in south-east London, offers a dedicated “refugees and asylum seekers service” in Lambeth and Southwark. According to the trust’s website, those who can benefit from the service include undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been refused the right to live here.

What would happen if a non-migrant or asylum seeker turned up? Presumably they have an ask no questions rule.

Get in to the queue for your own GP, love

Would presumably be the response

I’m not sure about this. Germany has ID cards and the same issues.

I understand why France might say that but it may not do much other than vast expense.

That would be an open invitation to come here. Is that really what our people want?

There are safe routes, we issue millions of visas. They'd just rather pay people traffickers to jump on a boat and get put up in a hotel with free meals and healthcare (at our expense) than apply for a visa.

We're that soft and generous that of course the smugglers will want to advertise that to potential 'customers'.

Most people coming on small boats are from Afghanistan and Iran. So no they can’t get visas. That would be the holy grail for them to get a visa. Going through the asylum process is a much more convoluted route. Have you an idea the dangerous journey that people undertake to come via irregular routes? And you think they would prefer to risk their lives and face an uncertain future rather than take a visa? Asylum seekers policies in the UK don’t differ so much from other EU countries.

I believe in a rules based system for immigration but there is no sense in dehumanising people who come on small boats. They are just people at the end of the day.

People seem very confused at the difference between Asylum seekers (who are in the UK legally even if they arrive via an irregular route) illegal/undocumented migrants and the vast bulk of immigrants- people issued visas.

As are citizens of the UK.

They are just people.

Are they unskilled? People getting visa’s I mean. The NHS would literally collapse without immigration. A third of nurses are migrants. There are estimates that nearly half a million care workers will be needed in the next 10 years.

I think the real reason that the government won’t tackle it is because it’s essential to keeping the country going.

Yes. It's a massive self perpetuating Ponzi scheme.

Some may be. However, it would be naïve to believe everyone who is called an asylum seeker after arriving via a small boat or other irregular route has a legitimate need for asylum. At one point, large numbers were coming from Albania!

Apart from overstayers, there are failed asylum seekers, who are not deemed to need refuge, living under the radar. The abuse of the asylum system has resulted in overwhelming numbers of cases, spiralling accommodation and other costs to the UK taxpayers, and a backlog which means some really vulnerable claimants are waiting far to long for their claim to be assessed.