What will happen between the US and Canada?

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I’m in the U.K. but have been following events in the US with mounting disbelief at Trump’s behaviour.

I see today Trump has increased the tariffs on Canada to 50% and is threatening to stick tariffs on car imports from Canada that will “shut down” their industry. Trump has also reiterated the fact that Canada WILL become part of the US.

Canada has reacted strongly so far and has again today said that there will be a response to the latest tariff announcements.

I have to be honest, much as I understood the U.K. attempt to flatter Trump to try and ease global tensions, there’s a large part of me that’s cheering on Canada’s refusal to back down.

What do people think is likely to happen? Can Canada sustain their “fuck you” response to Trump or will they eventually have to back down? Is there any genuine chance that the US will be able to annexe Canada?

I’d appreciate hearing people’s thoughts as this is all fascinating, albeit awful.

We’re not taking it lightly here. Canadian patriotism is at an all time high with shoppers boycotting America products and travel. Canadians will be fighting back so Americans can expect to see more financial pain.

This would be the correct approach if he was just some random commenter on the internet, or a newspaper columnist writing shock pieces for some rag, but he's the H.O.S and the H.O.G of one of the most powerful and influential nations on earth. The things that come out of his mouth have consequences, even if they are absolute rubbish and the product of a deranged mind.

There are, thankfully, many news sources analysing, dissecting, and debunking a lot of the crap he spouts, but this isn't happening on sources which actually back him and which pander to his core support. Preaching to the converted in a sense, but still, a portion of those people waking up to reality is still important in mitigating his nonsense and eventually being rid of the clown.

I'm Canadian too

It's still silly talk. The US will never invade Canada, it's all bollocks coming from his mouth and next month he'll be onto something else. Remember he was going to make public Prince Harry's visa details and investigate his right to stay in the US (drug usage) That never happened. He'll back down with the tariffs as well in a week or so but in the meantime everyone scurries around him to minimise the chaos in his wake

Well, I don't think Trump or Americans in general actually believe Canada will ever be 51st state. He's just saying it to get under Trudeau's skin, and I have to laugh (even as a canadian ) every time he says Governor Trudeau. I think we'll play chicken with each other threatening tariffs, withdrawing them until they get a better price on the big items coming from Canada. Yes the liquor stores have removed US products, but Walmart & Costco are still packed, and a lot of families I know are heading to the US next wk for spring break.

Karoline Leavitt is still making herself look daft and still doesn’t know the difference between a tariff and a quota - she is as stupid as her boss. Thankfully the reporters are challenging her incompetence.

Hello! I’ve kept my Belgian citizenship but DH is French Canadian.

I despise Trump and the notion that someone so unhinged has such following.

However, this discombobulating feeling that the floor has tilted is reminiscent of 2016 after the vote for Brexit. I live in Ireland and our business was negatively affected by that but all we heard from the UK was "sovereignty! Take back control! The EU will collapse!" We (used to) get all our deliveries from the UK (eg Amazon UK is the default amazon for us, business suppliers are all UK based even if suppliers have mainland European origins and use euro), we had the concern that we would now have added tax on top of existing prices.

But we survived. It felt like a cruel blow from our nearest neighbours who we are always lumped with but now didn't register us and wanted to wash their hands of Northern Ireland (a situation of their making) and didn't want to addess the very real concern of a hard border on our island.

It felt very like it does now. But, we had a good calm and competent leader at the time (as does the UK at last) and while it was costly and we had to renegotiate stock sources we did all of that and now get deliveries from the EU so deal only in euros. It has become normal. And Boris Johnson is no longer someone we have to look at.

Trump and his madness will ideally disappear eventually. Though, like Brexit, the ramifications of his lunacy will echo on but hopefully the adults will be in charge again like in the UK. And Canada and the US can repair their relationship.

Historically this annexation of Canada has come up in the 17, 18, and late 1990’s somehow this threat seems more real with waterways and the Great Lakes at risk. I think the trust is gone and defense wise we will need to be stronger like countries that border Russia.

If anyone is interested in the history of the US trying to annex/buy Canada, this is worth listening to.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-snows-history-hit/id1042631089?i=1000692262594

Do you suppose the spray painted oaf is aware that King Charles is Sovereign and may just have an opinion on the matter?

Of course, many Canadians may well hitherto have been republican but perhaps better the devil they know?

Canadians are proud of their nationality and do not want to be part of America. When are Americans going to get rid of this lunatic? I’m worried he’s going to make the world burn.

Nope, not British or Europeans. We are Canadian

It's annoying enough that the word American is used to refer almost exclusively to people from just one country in the Americas; and that so many people use America as shorthand for the USA.

I find it very irritating, and I'm not even from or resident in any of the countries in the Americas.

However, we do have a micro version of it here in the UK, where we've had a longstanding region of England known as the West Midlands - and then, when a new county was created which is effectively Greater Birmingham and its extended urban/metropolitan area, they decided to appropriate the region name for just their one county.

One way or another Canada will bow to the Usa, do people really think that if trump wants canada then he will use all the methods available to him to make it happen

Of course Canada isn’t going to become the 51st state - your comments are as mad as Trump’s.

Canadians have a higher quality of life than Americans- why would we want to switch it. There are no options open to Trump. I was thinking that Mexico might want to take back Texas - Trump wouldn’t like that!

I'd really like to see Greenland reach out and form a purely symbolic but highly publicised friendly alliance with their nearest large continental country... which happens to be Canada!

I'm sure Trump would be delighted to see the eatablishment of the Greenlanada agreement!

read my words i did not say they would be the 51st state all i said was bow to the usa, that could mean any number of means

Indeed. Texas back to Mexico; Alaska back to Russia; Louisiana back to France. Could even offer to give Georgia to the Eastern European country of the same name - after all, they already have all the signs and headed notepaper!

I understand that Trump is a huge fan of carving off large chunks of countries and handing them over to become parts of other countries, so I know that he would stand foursquare behind these proposals.

Why would Canada bow to the US and what means?

I very much like the way you put it.
I admired the U.K.'s shrewd ploy to flatter Trump. (It's SO embarrassing to have a president who is so manipulable.) But I even more admire Canada's standing up. Trump - a coward at heart - also took a step back.

because they need the usa more than the usa needs them and sooner or later the one upman ship will have to concede, as the lastest i read was canada was backpedalling on the electricity tax rises

Ontario agrees to suspend electricity surcharge ahead of talks with US

“President Trump has once again used the leverage of the American economy, which is the best and biggest in the world, to deliver a win for the American people,” White House spokesperson Kush Desai said in a statement.

The US economy is crashing - look at the Dow Jones and it’s heading for a huge recession.

Canada doesn’t need the US but the US needs so much from Canada - hence the trade deficit.

It’s only Trump (and some of his voters) who believe the US is the biggest and the best. Here in Canada we pity the Americans.