Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

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It's been revealed in multiple media sources after much speculation that Dominic Cummings has been whatsapping Musk with strategies to undermine the UK government and our democracy. For a while commentators have been speculating that Musk must have a hard right UK informant, since he's not across any detail himself and really has no understanding of the UK or our political system himself (see his comments about asking the King to dissolve the government). He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos, and now we discover it's Cummings up to his dark tricks again.

I don't think I've ever wished harm to another person but honestly I wish Cummings would just bugger off for good.

🙄 I think it’s weird that there is obfuscation and deflection on such an important issue .

We had a recent horrific case of the torture and murder of Sara Sharif.
The safeguards failed for her. So I’m not going to assume all the safeguards we have in place are fine .

@noblegiraffe

"I refuse to be berated and accused of cover-ups and not caring about child abuse for wanting to talk about the politics instead of how dreadful grooming gangs are. "

No one is accusing you of supporting cover ups or not caring about child abuse.

But to be blunt your talking about the politics is irrelevant.

Of course Musk has his political interests at play here but so does Farage, Badenoch and Starmer.

What is relevant and what needs to happen before any distraction of a second inquiry is that the 20 recommendations of the Jay inquiry are implemented.

And regardless of anyone's personal opinion of Musk, he has managed to bring these horrific crimes back into the public spotlight. And the reality is that if is wasn't for Musk's posts Yvette Cooper would never have announced this week that she would include the recommendation on reporting of child sexual abuse into the Child Wellbeing and Schools Bill. Anyone who can't recognise that is putting their personal animosity towards Musk above the speedy implementations of the inquiry recommendations.

But to be blunt your talking about the politics is irrelevant.

Not on this thread! You are not on a thread called 'let's talk about grooming gangs', you are on a thread called 'Dominic Cummings is Elon Musk's informer'.

So you can also piss off with your attempts to control what I talk about.

It’s also on the board clearly marked “Politics”.

I've just had a thought if Cummings is getting himself involved here (and from twitter it certainly looks like it), that I wouldn't put it past him to have come up with the idea of tacking the inquiry amendment onto the schools bill. He would have bloody hated that schools bill as it overturned a lot of his policies from when he was a SpAD to Gove.

You ate right.
Policing and social services have policies and procedures around this and have had for some time.
I was interviewing child victims 15 year ago and locking up offenders also. It really isn't tolerated these days.
Posters on this thread are desperate to stir up racial tension, which is just what Musk and his friends want.

@ThePoshUns
“Posters on this thread are desperate to stir up racial tension, “
This slur is a pathetic attempt at deflecting . No one has tried to stir up racial tension. Absolutely no one.

You’re doing exactly what the report said happened in Rotherham Council. You’re using race as a reason not to talk about the grooming gangs.
It’s despicable.

Oh yes ! Let’s move on to talking about Gove’s education policies.
That would be much more comfortable

🙄You couldn’t make it up .

You're at it again. Look at the thread title and tell me my post about Dominic Cummings is 'irrelevant'.

Seriously.

No - seriously- you go ahead and talk about Gove’s Education policies etc . That’s incredibly relevant.
Musk’s tweets about grooming gangs must not be discussed because it will make us look as if we’re ignorant far right racists .
You carry on …

Good grief.

Have you considered starting your own thread instead of being annoyed about people talking about Musk and Cummings on a Musk and Cummings thread?

They’ve been discussed ad nauseum. There have been numerous threads about Musk and his tweets.

Yes … but why come on the thread to shut the discussion down ? If you think it’s been discussed ad nauseum then ignore the thread.

One might ask why you are on this thread trying to shut down discussion about Dominic Cummings' involvement.

I’m explaining why some of us might be interested in discussing other aspects of this. You may have noticed that nobody is engaging with you, not because there’s any attempt to shut it down but because it’s pretty much dominated MN for about a week and there’s not a lot left to say.

Oh yes …the “start your own thread” line ..
I have been talking about Musk and his tweets in the grooming gangs on this thread . You just wanted to keep the discussion to the narrow parameters of your own choosing.

So … you were saying ? Gove’s education policies..?

Fair enough. If you think people want to discuss other aspects I’ll leave you to it.

’The people who should have dealt with it’ were not Starmer and his cabinet. The report and recommendations were all but ignored by the LAST government.
The current government are starting to do things. Could they do better on this issue? Yes, we always could. There’s always more to do to protect young people. And I’m pretty sure that Jess Philips continues to advocate for girls and women around the cabinet.

And the Tories tried to vote down legislation that will help prevent this happening again using this issue as a smoke screen!!!

I absolutely agree the last Tory government failed dismally to address this. Rotherham council and several other labour councils also failed to address this. Both parties have been appalling in this issue. In my opinion it’s because they saw no political benefit in spending time on an issue about poor, disadvantaged girls . They were too busy chasing votes . ( I could be wrong - just my opinion)
Im glad that Musk’s intervention has meant this is being given more airtime ( although I recognise the valid concerns about Musk and his interference) .
Obviously Musk’s comments about Jess Philips were disgusting and indefensible. His comments about Jess Phillips were hateful and could incite violence / they were also counterproductive because those comments turn the conversation away from dealing with the issue of grooming gangs and the answering of questions about what happened onto a different issue.

I want the focus to be on making sure this never happens again.

If you want it dealt with you’d be supporting Phillips more than Musk.
He has done nothing other than raise the issue among people who will make taking action harder. Already dealing with attacks has taken up Jess Philips’ time that she could be working on the issue. He makes it a race issue. It isn’t. It’s a male issue.
There was an all white ring in the SW for example that gets ignored by people who are ‘only raising valid concerns’ and many of Tommy Robinson’s associates have convictions for sexual offences against children. And his ridiculous ‘raising the issue’ actions almost resulted in offenders ‘getting away with it’ due to how he disrupted the trial.

You clearly have no idea of the changes put in place in all services since Rotherham. No system is perfect which is why the teacher training is updated annually (more regularly if necessary), we can always do things better.

Are there pockets of bad practices in safeguarding in schools (for example)? Yes. And that’s what I’d like to see us focusing on now.

What I’d prefer to see an inquiry into (and acted upon) is our shameful rape conviction rate. Unpick the reasons for that, and think all women (including girls from deprived areas) would be better protected. The awful attitudes towards those young girls are part of a MUCH larger issue.

I think this thread has gone down the tribal pile-on rabbithole again. I can't stand Labour as much as the next reasonable person but the Conservatives have also failed terribly in this. That's why a national independent enquiry is vital otherwise this will boil over in the places that feel nothing has been done (again) and we will start seeing more violence (over and above what the children have already been through). We do it for so many other issues and it doesn't need to hold Jess Philips up from doing what she needs to be doing.

The reason the issue of the Pakistani rape gangs need special treatment over and above child abuse and rape per se is due to the aggravating factors. The victims were selected as they were non-Muslim and therefore easy meat; the religious targeting element. The racial element is that perpetrators weren't stopped by the people that should have been protecting the girls as the perpetrators were Pakistani and those in authority were scared of being accused of racism and prioritised "community relations". That's essentially what all this boils down to. And as this has occurred nationwide we need to hear the victims stories specifically about these types of grooming gangs from everywhere (including the frozen north) which hasn't happened so far. I can't see why anyone would object to this and no one has provided a valid answer yet on this thread why we shouldn't have a national enquiry.

Teaching in schools won't help those that don't bother to go and those that have already been tortured and raped. They need justice. Nationwide not in pockets of the country.

The distractions of the Robinson/Musk/Cummings bogeymen, as I pointed out at the start of this thread are just distractions from what will be one of the most terrible stories of this country. It's a silly title for a thread and I wonder the motivations of people sometimes.

The thread is important though. There are people using this terrible situation for their own political ends and we should be very wary of them.

“You clearly have no idea of the changes put in place in all services since Rotherham. No system is perfect which is why the teacher training is updated annually (more regularly if necessary), we can always do things better.”

Why do you say I clearly have no idea of the changes put in place?
Can you tell me what changes I am unaware of please? That would be more helpful than suggesting I’m ignorant of something you know but I don’t .

What I do think is that it’s disgraceful that the Jay recommendations haven’t been implemented.