Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

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It's been revealed in multiple media sources after much speculation that Dominic Cummings has been whatsapping Musk with strategies to undermine the UK government and our democracy. For a while commentators have been speculating that Musk must have a hard right UK informant, since he's not across any detail himself and really has no understanding of the UK or our political system himself (see his comments about asking the King to dissolve the government). He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos, and now we discover it's Cummings up to his dark tricks again.

I don't think I've ever wished harm to another person but honestly I wish Cummings would just bugger off for good.

The very same people who were demanding another public inquiry into the grooming gangs, knew that they were risking killing a bill on children’s welfare and reform.

I think it's worse than that. I think they'd have quite liked to kill the schools bill because it rolled back a lot of Tory policies around e.g. academisation.

However, they also knew that Labour would be whipped to vote for the schools bill to get their legislation through even if Labour MPs individually wanted another inquiry. They knew that it could then cause trouble for Labour (which is has done) by allowing the painting of them as 'blocking an inquiry' and 'supporting Starmer's cover-up'. It was an incredibly cynical move on the part of Badenoch and I actually find it quite disgusting, given then death threats and abuse that have been aimed at the people who voted for the schools bill as a result. Badenoch would have known that would be the outcome.

It was particularly disgusting in light of the fact that as leader of the opposition she failed to condemn Musk’s disgraceful comments and lies about Jess Phillips.

And he just swoops in a stirs it up as makes people feel more hostile to authorities and institutions who are trying to improve but can only do so slowly.

@Pleaselettheholidayend why can these authorities and institutions only improve slowly?

You keep bringing it back to whether Musk truly cares about the grooming gangs and to whether ordinary people think he cares …
Its bizarre…
Does Starmer truly care ?
I don’t know to what extent any of them are motivated solely by their own political agenda.

Does it matter if Cummings gave Musk the information? Not to me..
The point is that the information about grooming gangs that Musk has been tweeting is, horrifyingly, true .
But some posters just don’t want it discussed or addressed. Just as Rotherham councillors ( and so many others ) didn’t want it discussed or addressed.
BTW - did you read the report on Rotherham council I linked earlier

I find the deflection, minimisation and obfuscation on this subject disgusting
www.gov.uk/government/publications/report-of-inspection-of-rotherham-metropolitan-borough-council

I posted this earlier on the thread to a different poster

"What you seem to be doing is picking out a bit of the message that you agree with and just focusing on that, ignoring the whole rest of the message and what is going on.
'Tear down the UK government, the UK is on the brink of civil war, the government are complicit in mass rape and are apologists for genocidal rape and a danger to children, particularly Keir Starmer, this dreadful grooming scandal happened on his watch and he is complicit, watch this video from Tommy Robinson and free him from prison, vote Reform, but not with Farage at the helm because he had the audacity to disagree with me'.
And your response is 'great, finally someone is talking about the grooming scandal'."|

It is entirely reasonable to want to talk about the rest of the stuff, particularly on a thread about Musk and Cummings without you trying to shut down that conversation with 'oh so you don't care about the grooming gangs'. Piss off with your attempts to try to control what I am talking about when it is entirely on the thread topic.

I suggest that there are a lot of people in Politics currently betraying their country

YOU were addressing ME so I replied .

OF COURSE you’re saying Piss off now …
It’s a lot easier than addressing the points .

You said "You keep bringing it back to whether Musk truly cares about the grooming gangs and to whether ordinary people think he cares …
Its bizarre…"

It's not bizarre, it is the topic of the thread. Stop acting like wanting to talk about the thread topic and not what you want to talk about is some sort of moral failing. It's not going to work.

I have to say I would have been surprised if she had.

Unfortunately that seems to be the way politics is going.

The link to DC was mentioned on Newscast on BBC earlier. I detest DC so it wouldn't actually surprise me.

I don’t think it is the topic of the thread …

But if it helps - you are not being unreasonable in thinking Musk doesn’t care about the abused girls.

Sadly - very few people in power here seem to care either - (and that is my point )

@OpheliaWasntMad

There won't be a second inquiry because it's a guaranteed vote loser for Labour.

If there was to be a second inquiry (which there won't be) it should focus on how and why these crimes went unchallenged for so long along with the true scale of it.

As I said it's not surprising that all politicians are using this scandal for their own political gain. But the focus should be on implementing the recommendations of the Jay inquiry as soon as possible both to give justice to the victims and prevent it happening again.

“If there was to be a second inquiry (which there won't be) it should focus on how and why these crimes went unchallenged for so long along with the true scale of it.” Absolutely

But you’re absolutely right the immediate focus has to be on the recommendations and making sure this doesn’t happen again

@noblegiraffe

"It's not bizarre, it is the topic of the thread. Stop acting like wanting to talk about the thread topic and not what you want to talk about is some sort of moral failing. It's not going to work."

It might be bizarre but it's definitely imo irrelevant. What is relevant is that without Musk's posts (regardless of his motives) Yvette Cooper would not have decided to amend and include one of the 20 recommendations (those who cover up or fail to report child sexual abuse could face professional or criminal sanctions under a new offence to be introduced this year.) into the Child Wellbeing and Schools Bill first published in December 2024.

And I believe that what would have happened is that the 20 recommendations would be kicked into the long grass by Labour just as they were done by the Conservatives for 2 years.

Should read:

"It might not be bizarre but it's definitely imo irrelevant."

If there was to be a second inquiry (which there won't be) it should focus on how and why these crimes went unchallenged for so long along with the true scale of it.

I thought the main reason why the crimes went unchallenged was that those in authority such as teachers, police and social workers were terrified of an accusation of racism.

I refuse to be berated and accused of cover-ups and not caring about child abuse for wanting to talk about the politics instead of how dreadful grooming gangs are.

And I believe that what would have happened is that the 20 recommendations would be kicked into the long grass by Labour just as they were done by the Conservatives for 2 years.

The author of the report that made those recommendations has said that we don't need more research or inquiries, we need to get on with making changes. The people calling for an inquiry are quite inconsistent as to what they would like inquiring into. I said previously that you get the ones who want Starmer to be sacked and the ones who want to deport all Muslims so even if Labour do instigate another inquiry, there will probably be complaints about how it's not the right inquiry because it won't do either.

Incidentally, some people seem to be of the impression that nothing has happened as a result of previous inquires or that everyone is just completely oblivious to grooming gangs. I will say that child protection training over the last ten years (at least) has been obviously updated and amended so that school staff are now trained every year on how to spot the signs of child sexual exploitation and what a widespread problem it is and how it's not just 'promiscuous children' and so on. The same goes for the grooming gangs that groom children for crime (county lines). It's a real feature of concern and discussion in schools.

@Barbadossunset
That is one allegation/ issue that needs to be investigated .
Also -
Misogyny
Class

Also - Attitudes to underage sex
The lack of curiosity or concern about why 12/13/14 year old girls were associating with much much older men and were judged to be engaging in “consensual “ sex.

Those girls were from disadvantaged families and there was no political benefit from supporting them . They were judged as being “less than” and people looked away .

Im a teacher. If all that’s happened in response to this scandal is annual updates to the child protection training in schools then it’s very alarming.

If schools have had their child protection training updated in response, why would your assumption be that absolutely nothing has changed elsewhere?

Because you said
incidentally, some people seem to be of the impression that nothing has happened as a result of previous inquires or that everyone is just completely oblivious to grooming gangs. I will say that child protection training over the last ten years (at least) has been obviouslyupdated and amended so that school staff

Obviously we expect safeguarding in schools- that seems a bare minimum

I can't speak for other areas but given that schools have updated guidance, my assumption would be that other areas have too.

I don't know why you would assume otherwise.

I’m not assuming anything. I don’t think it’s wise to assume anything given what we know has happened.
I would like the recommendations to be implemented and I would like there to be scrutiny and accountability to ensure they are implemented

I think assuming schools are an outlier would be weird, don't you?