Starmer says we are going to have more money in our pockets (new year's speach

[JoyousPinkPeer]

Do you beleive him or do you think he is a liar?

Ooooh a thread on mn - more of the same

Labour don’t seem to have spotted that those kids have two parents on the whole and grandparents … quite a few voters - up to 30% depending on how many kids a couple have and whether grandparents are still alive

They can pledge all the teachers they want, but not enough people want to teach. For good reason. Although pensions are very good, dc are poorly behaved in too many schools. Dc know what these schools are like. They have been customers for years. I just dislike empty promises without actual detail on how to achieve it. It’s really not just about robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Peter has been living off Paul.

How does this change benefit any children? Sure, it makes things more difficult or worse for some…but how is it going to make it better for the others? We all know that whatever changes they make to the state sector will be exactly the same ones that could have been made without putting tax on a section of the education sector. It’s an ideologically driven attack, consistent with the lefts approach of ‘If I can’t have it, no one can have it’.

The money raised, if anything is immaterial, and irrelevant. The total education budget is around £120 billion. Even Labour, who can’t add up, only claim that VAT on school fees will raise £1.7 billion, so a potential increase of little under 1.5%. But, we already know (because they don’t actually understand how VAT works) that the net gain will be a lot less than £1.7 billion once the effects of VAT reclaim on inputs and capital projects is factored in.

Paul has now almost reached his overdraft limit.

The chickens seem to want to roost.

I re-trained as a teacher at 50, but never got a job. SLTs don't particularly like older confident people as inexperienced teachers whose subject knowledge was often very expert. Without claiming to have been anything special, even at entry level pay scale, age is against you.

For my part, I enjoyed teaching --- apart from the mildly disruptive element that was present in most classes. Also my DH had a business so there was no way I was going to relocate to teach in another area. And then, my subject was removed from mandatory in the 2015 reforms.

Well, yes. It's pointless raising wages if you haven't raised productivity because all that will happen is inflation will increase to devalue the currency to match supply to demand.

You have to remove the barriers to trade that we've artificially erected, and generate the conditions for investment so that productivity can rise, for a genuine rise in real-terms salaries and living standards to be possible.

Hence why growth and productivity increases are the only way out of the doom loop. This is what Labour said would be the focus of their economic policy. Perhaps Starmer could explain to us all why every single economic measure announced so far by his Government has (as would very obviously be the case to anybody with the slightest grasp of how the economy works, and was indeed predicted before he and his chancellor decided to put these policies in place so he was fully aware that this would be the result) had the exact opposite effect of generating growth or productivity increases?

It's almost like they've done the total opposite of what they promised the electorate prior to the election... surely not? 😆

sorry but the chickens are all dead. chlorine.

Maybe he thinks he can pull a "Harold Wilson"?

"A pound is a pound..."

🤦🏻‍♀️

sorry but the chickens are all dead. chlorine

The lucky ones got chlorinated. The others got eaten by maggots first before the chlorine could "purify" them.

In that case surely the solution is to abolish private schools altogether rather than tax them which only serves to make them accessible to those that are even wealthier than the current parents.

Let's be honest this is not about trying to create an equal education system it's a let's bash the posho rich and grab some tax in the process.

Even then it's likely that this measure will cost more in increased educational spending than it raises in tax.

@ThisPageIsBlank

"Hence why growth and productivity increases are the only way out of the doom loop. This is what Labour said would be the focus of their economic policy. Perhaps Starmer could explain to us all why every single economic measure announced so far by his Government has (as would very obviously be the case to anybody with the slightest grasp of how the economy works, and was indeed predicted before he and his chancellor decided to put these policies in place so he was fully aware that this would be the result) had the exact opposite effect of generating growth or productivity increases? "

This paragraph hits the nail on the head and is an excellent summary of where we are heading.

How can even the most ardent Labour supporter not see that increasing the NI contributions by employers is going to be anti growth. I mean it's pretty basic economics.

My home is short of many thousands because of this lot and the previous one. I am one of the families leaving as this government is based on ideology and the country is in decline because of many things happening since 2008 onwards.

Plus the people supporting the vat in education are deluded. Dangerous people and policies like this are going to take this country to the pits.

@ThisPageIsBlank He can explain it! It’s the black hole they didn’t know about! That old chestnut. Of course they had plans to hit private school parents but it’s illiterate to hit business and expect growth. Your summary is otherwise correct. It feels like many Labour voters were too trusting and were duped. Our politics is at a very low ebb.

That's right - I know someone who used to teach Maths in a state secondary school. Kids behaved monstrously, including following the teacher home and pissing around with bins, windows at home! Got told to fuck off by a parent. Now teaches in private. If the private closes, will move to private tutoring. Unless Starmer is going to double the salary, there will be no enticing teachers like this back.

@Applepoop Many private schools will remain and maths teachers are always in demand. If available, 6th form colleges teaching A level maths are calmer.

Have you ever visited state School secondary school?

@Iwanttoliveonamountain Thsts besides the point. We all know they cannot recruit teachers for Stem subjects, MFL and a few others. Therefore saying you will recruit thousands more when you are very short in the first place is hopeful at best. Grads don’t like the idea of teaching. People with decent stem degrees will get jobs they consider better in other forms of business and industry. Mostly earning more and less hassle. Teaching has better holidays and better pensions but working with grumpy people who go on strike is a turn off. Any decent teachers from private schools will be absorbed by private schools.

He's a liar and wouldn't tell the truth about anything.

Come on ... theyve known the birth rate for minimum 4 yours (for reception classes) ... it's therefore no surprise. The only rise in the o ly rise in the school roll, as I see it, can therefore be net immigration. Unless I am missing something?

I won't have more money in my pocket, so.i don't beleive Starmer

Do I think he's a liar? Undoubtedly, he told the UK public that the southport child murderer was a Welsh man not an Islamic fundamentalist. On that count, he definitely lied, he knew, within hours that man had made ricin in his home and had an Al quaeda manual. This was his attempt at opiate to the masses. No doubt MN will delete this post, though it is 100% factual.

I really dont understand the way the government are running the economy, nothing seems well thought out and the consequences of their decisions seem to be completely ignored.
VAT on schools will raise very little and do nothing to help the state sector. Promised breakfast clubs are now delayed and god knows where the teachers are coming from
WFA is also not saving what they thought it would as pension credit applications have gone up rapidly and that is a gateway benefit.
NI insurance increase is the real killer for our economy , our bills are going to soar come April, do they really think the likes of Tesco and the other large businesses are just going to absorb these costs. They have made it quite clear they will not and job losses and higher prices are to come.
I am no economist but pretty sure that nothing they have done is going to make anyone better of.

Misty I agree with you