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Starmer says we are going to have more money in our pockets (new year's speach

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JoyousPinkPeer · 01/01/2025 18:26

Do you beleive him or do you think he is a liar?

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sunflowersngunpowdr · 01/01/2025 23:58

Havalona · 01/01/2025 19:43

Reform and the hard right of the Tories are waiting in the long grass to give us all lots of money after the next election. Not that long to wait now folks so watch this space...

lol the Tory's are so far to the left it's beyond a joke!

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2025 00:00

sunflowersngunpowdr · 01/01/2025 23:58

lol the Tory's are so far to the left it's beyond a joke!

Blimey 🥺

TizerorFizz · 02/01/2025 00:01

Don’t forget the increased water bills! We don’t all get free flats and houses, free clothes and free transport like Starmer on top of a decent salary.

The whole problem we have is too many believing what politicians say without any scrutiny of how they will do it. We have sound bite elections and voters fall for it. No detail. Very little was worked on in advance (hence the big gaps) and they don’t know how to stimulate growth, let alone articulate policies to achieve it.

One huge reason for this is deep down, grass roots Labour still thinks business is the baddie. The ones who must be punished. They don’t realise that this punishes all the workers, customers and suppliers too. If puts up prices and makes jobs dicey. Why on earth they didn’t see this is crazy. Now we are told we will be better off! How? In 2025? They have no growth. They have promised lots of expenditure. Where’s the money coming from? Oh. I know! More borrowing - now that reality is a black hole. One our DC won’t thank us for.

ThisPageIsBlank · 02/01/2025 00:21

Barbadossunset · 01/01/2025 23:21

Great post. We desperately need politicians with the necessary backbone to reverse the disastrous Brexit.

Will the EU have us back?

They'd let us rejoin the single market and customs union as a first step, which would at least mitigate the worst of the damage being done to our economy and compounding every year that it continues. This would be the first priority of any competent Government if they had any genuine desire to raise living standards in the UK.

caringcarer · 02/01/2025 00:56

Starmer is a proven liar. He's wrecking our economy that was showing good growth until Labour took over and now it's 2 quarters of downward trend thanks to RR and her anti business anti growth budget.

Getmeonaflight · 02/01/2025 08:20

Barbadossunset · 01/01/2025 21:17

But staff in private schools, groundsmen, minibus drivers, cooks as well as teachers, will be out of work instead. How does that benefit anyone?

Nah - serves them right for working for posho private schools.

Wow! What an incredibly enviously spiteful comment.

Barbadossunset · 02/01/2025 08:57

@Getmeonaflight i was being sarcastic.

Getmeonaflight · 02/01/2025 09:08

Barbadossunset · 02/01/2025 08:57

@Getmeonaflight i was being sarcastic.

Really

taxguru · 02/01/2025 11:22

I'd actually have preferred Corbyn to be PM. At least he had some original ideas about how to solve some of the country's problems and was wanting to do different things. Starmer hasn't a clue, nor does Reeves and Raynor is outright dangerous. Then we have the Milliband clown who's happy to bankrupt the country and make us reliant on unreliable energy sources. The only shining light at the moment is Streeting who is at least saying the right things about the NHS - whether he'll be able to actually change anything is a different matter.

taxguru · 02/01/2025 11:24

ThisPageIsBlank · 02/01/2025 00:21

They'd let us rejoin the single market and customs union as a first step, which would at least mitigate the worst of the damage being done to our economy and compounding every year that it continues. This would be the first priority of any competent Government if they had any genuine desire to raise living standards in the UK.

Wasn't that the kind of deal that Teresa May was trying to get through Parliament, but was blocked by members of all parties. I seem to remember she had several attempts but the majority of MPs either voted against or abstained.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 02/01/2025 11:37

taxguru · 02/01/2025 11:24

Wasn't that the kind of deal that Teresa May was trying to get through Parliament, but was blocked by members of all parties. I seem to remember she had several attempts but the majority of MPs either voted against or abstained.

Yes, it was. Starmer, I think, abstained on that one. But then the Wilson government faced the same challenge - two thirds of the party wanted to leave in ‘75…

There’s also the small matter of how soon is too soon for parliament to ignore the result of the referendum and do a ‘U’ turn. At a democratic level, we (the population) voted in a referendum to stay in ‘75, and to leave in 2016. Do we therefore need another referendum? Does the public, or for that matter Labour or the conservatives have the appetite for that? I’m sure they don’t have the appetite for rejoining without a referendum - the far left and right would have a field day.

taxguru · 02/01/2025 12:12

Tryingtokeepgoing · 02/01/2025 11:37

Yes, it was. Starmer, I think, abstained on that one. But then the Wilson government faced the same challenge - two thirds of the party wanted to leave in ‘75…

There’s also the small matter of how soon is too soon for parliament to ignore the result of the referendum and do a ‘U’ turn. At a democratic level, we (the population) voted in a referendum to stay in ‘75, and to leave in 2016. Do we therefore need another referendum? Does the public, or for that matter Labour or the conservatives have the appetite for that? I’m sure they don’t have the appetite for rejoining without a referendum - the far left and right would have a field day.

We never voted to join the EU. We voted to join the EEC which was all about trade. It morphed into the EU without any vote, i.e. free movement of people, European courts, etc. The ideal result of the referendum would have been to wind back to where we started, i.e. trade agreements and limited restrictions on trade, with maybe some kind of free movement for genuine workers. So many mistakes and outright lies have been made by politicians over the decades re Europe and that's why Brexit happened. Just look at Blair opening the doors without restriction to the newly admitted Eastern European countries in the noughties - most of the larger EU countries imposed restrictions, but Blair insisted on a complete free for all. I think you can trace the Brexit result back to Blair for that one as it caused all kind of problems. Blair was even warned by other senior ministers as to the potential problems, but lied about the numbers likely to come and just batted away the objections.

ThisPageIsBlank · 02/01/2025 12:19

Wasn't that the kind of deal that Teresa May was trying to get through Parliament, but was blocked by members of all parties. I seem to remember she had several attempts but the majority of MPs either voted against or abstained.

No, she was rejecting SM membership.

ThisPageIsBlank · 02/01/2025 12:20

Which is essential if we want any hope of returning to anything like prosperity.

ThisPageIsBlank · 02/01/2025 12:40

As for all of these arguments about "democracy", they are laughable. The "referendum" was misinformation on steroids, for example Brexiteers claiming repeatedly during the campaign that obviously nobody was stupid enough to even be suggesting leaving the CU or SM...

The referendum was advisory only, won by the narrowest of margins following extreme misinformation and in any case this is a Parliamentary democracy. A choice was made by self-interested extremists to implement the most extreme possible version that wasn't voted for and nobody sane would have voted for had they been told this is what would be done and how much poorer it would make them in perpetuity. And regardless, even when voters have voted for a manifesto in a general election Governments do not implement the policies stated in them anyway and do other things with no mandate whatsoever. Our "democracy" is beyond a joke at this point so anybody trying to pretend there is some kind of virtue in this self-harm that continues whomever is ostensibly in charge is, frankly, delusional.

I'm not interested in going over all of this about Brexit again because it's all well-documented fact. It's disturbing that some people apparently STILL don't understand what was done or why (although as always, it might be worth asking yourselves "cui bono?" if it's possible some still haven't realised why this happened), or even appear to think that what Teresa May was proposing involved SM membership!

The lack of understanding about why the UK is in the state it is in now or the motivations behind the extreme decisions that were taken without any democratic mandate to do so and lack of awareness in the electorate about the implications - even after all this time to repent at leisure - are very apparent, yet still we have people saying it would be a breach of democracy somehow to reverse damaging choices that never had a mandate in the first place either in the referendum or any subsequent manifesto. It's almost comical, the level of self-delusion that must be involved to maintain such a view, at this point.

The British electorate clearly prefer the prospect of declining living standards continuing year on year while on this issue and pretty much every other aspect of the management of the economy - no matter whom we vote for - we are ruled by spineless fools who haven't the slightest inclination to do anything that will improve national living standards, in fact actively sabotage them further, deliberately.

PPP per capita will continue to fall off a cliff compared to what used to be comparable countries and your children and grandchildren will either emigrate or lead far more impoverished lives.

Circumferences · 02/01/2025 12:49

Barbadossunset · 01/01/2025 23:21

Great post. We desperately need politicians with the necessary backbone to reverse the disastrous Brexit.

Will the EU have us back?

You need to forget that KS even gives a thought to Brexit or our place in the EU.
He couldn't care less.

He is neck-deep in facilitating wars in the middle east to benefit Israel. He doesn't care about Europe or the UK. Never has.

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2025 12:54

Circumferences · 02/01/2025 12:49

You need to forget that KS even gives a thought to Brexit or our place in the EU.
He couldn't care less.

He is neck-deep in facilitating wars in the middle east to benefit Israel. He doesn't care about Europe or the UK. Never has.

What bollocks.

Barbadossunset · 02/01/2025 12:55

There’s also the small matter of how soon is too soon for parliament to ignore the result of the referendum and do a ‘U’ turn. At a democratic level, we (the population) voted in a referendum to stay in ‘75, and to leave in 2016. Do we therefore need another referendum? Does the public, or for that matter Labour or the conservatives have the appetite for that? I’m sure they don’t have the appetite for rejoining without a referendum - the far left and right would have a field day.

@Tryingtokeepgoing you've made very interesting points. I don’t know how many years have to pass before another referendum on the same thing can be held.

StarDolphins · 02/01/2025 13:00

Apparently, we’ll have more money in our pockets as we’ll have the fastest growing economy in the G7.

I mean, i definitely believe him🤔🤣

Clavinova · 02/01/2025 14:38

ThisPageIsBlank
As for all of these arguments about "democracy", they are laughable. The "referendum" was misinformation on steroids, for example Brexiteers claiming repeatedly during the campaign that obviously nobody was stupid enough to even be suggesting leaving the CU or SM...

19 April 2016

Thanks to Michael Gove we know that Britain's future outside the EU would also be outside the single market.

So we can rule out our future looking like Norway or Iceland...

Vote Leave's future plan for the UK would be outside the EU and outside the EEA.

https://www.itv.com/news/2016-04-19/michael-gove-says-britains-future-outside-the-eu-would-also-be-outside-the-single-market-but-what-does-that-mean

12 June 2016

David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market.

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

22 February 2016

EU referendum: Ukip leader Nigel Farage says he doesn’t want to be part of the European Single Market.

https://www.cityam.com/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-single-market/

1dayatatime · 02/01/2025 15:56

@ThisPageIsBlank

"The British electorate clearly prefer the prospect of declining living standards continuing year on year while on this issue and pretty much every other aspect of the management of the economy - no matter whom we vote for - we are ruled by spineless fools who haven't the slightest inclination to do anything that will improve national living standards, in fact actively sabotage them further, deliberately. "

Oh the British public don't actively want the managed decline of the economy and their living standards. It's just that they don't want to pay the price/ hardship of doing so and would never elect a Government promising either cuts in public spending that affected them (but cuts on areas that don't affect them are OK) or raising taxes on them (as opposed to raising taxes on the "rich" with rich being defined as anyone richer than them but most definitely not them).

Havalona · 02/01/2025 16:43

Ireland is booming and English speaking. Great education standards and very generous social supports. Health care is free for everyone except for GP and scripts which are free based in income. Can we just go there and gain citizenship eventually, I think so.

Not a perfect country by any means but for its size it is punching above its weight. Storm clouds may gather if Trump matches its CT RATE. But membership of the EU and the SM has helped enormously.

UK has always been prone to exceptionalism, a go it alone mentality, Rule Brittania etc and Brexit was the result. I cant see much changing TBH.

Blakehouse · 02/01/2025 17:14

Look at the value of the pound today against the US dollar. I suppose it’s going to attract US visitors to the UK? So great for tourism..

JRSKSSBH · 02/01/2025 17:29

Well yes, but only if you work for the public sector. Otherwise you will have less and less. Wait till later this year or next when they’ll launch another tax raid …. blamed on Maggie Thatcher or Elon Musk or Nigel Farage. We are only going to get poorer during this parliament due to higher taxes, higher energy prices, higher mortgage costs, higher rents, higher rail fares, higher inflation, higher food bills, etc etc etc.

JRSKSSBH · 02/01/2025 17:31

1dayatatime · 02/01/2025 15:56

@ThisPageIsBlank

"The British electorate clearly prefer the prospect of declining living standards continuing year on year while on this issue and pretty much every other aspect of the management of the economy - no matter whom we vote for - we are ruled by spineless fools who haven't the slightest inclination to do anything that will improve national living standards, in fact actively sabotage them further, deliberately. "

Oh the British public don't actively want the managed decline of the economy and their living standards. It's just that they don't want to pay the price/ hardship of doing so and would never elect a Government promising either cuts in public spending that affected them (but cuts on areas that don't affect them are OK) or raising taxes on them (as opposed to raising taxes on the "rich" with rich being defined as anyone richer than them but most definitely not them).

Nigel is coming. See Sunday Times a few days ago. Tory party is dead, ditto Greens, Labour unelectable.