Starmer says we are going to have more money in our pockets (new year's speach

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Do you beleive him or do you think he is a liar?

And yet lots are facing redundancies as schools close thanks to this policy. Indy schools are usually big local employers so local employment markets will be hit badly

But staff in private schools, groundsmen, minibus drivers, cooks as well as teachers, will be out of work instead. How does that benefit anyone?

Not really weird - it’s the mood of the majority

There’s some real paranoia out there! You can’t be surprised that people are commenting here on the PMs New Years speech surely? After anll, his speech was planned… And, based on their popularity, that its not all positive…?

I presume that somebody from the Spin Department has said, "for goodness sake, try to sound a bit more cheerful, will you. Stop being an Eeyore, you talking down the economy."
However, there's no point telling us we will have more money (in the future) when we know that we haven't right now in the present (and can only see bad things coming over the horizon).

Nice try but no, nothing planned here. I'm making late supper and prepping for my job tomorrow in a little manufacturer. Sorry to disappoint.

Nope, my only planning was because I finished season 14 of Blue Bloods (which was awesome btw) and DH started playing his Xbox so I figured some MN browsing to pass the time before I head to bed.

All very exciting of course, clearly not as exciting as your life is in Paranoia-Land.

I will pay more council tax, more for electricity so his words won’t be true to me.

No schools closing in my city! 1 new secondary and 4 new primaries have recently opened to try and meet demand.
As this article states, there are now concerns the ‘birth rate drop’ has been overestimated with numbers needing school places rising in many cities. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3e219lxzo.amp

I appreciate it’s a first world problem and boo hoo me, but the knock on of middle England reducing their spending means fewer kids going to their local dance school on a Saturday, enrolling in sports clubs, using cleaners, nipping out for lunch or a drink in the evening.

We have reduced our spending with 4 local businesses/self-employed people to be able to pay the fees hike which doesn’t make me feel good as they have bills to pay too. But we don’t have the money to spare so it has to come from somewhere until we can withdraw our kids. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I know what they stand for and I don't like it

@BurntBroccoli
Almost like it was a planned post

What do you mean ‘planned post’? Do you think the op sent pms to posters telling them she was going to start an anti Starmer thread so would they all join it and agree with her?

But staff in private schools, groundsmen, minibus drivers, cooks as well as teachers, will be out of work instead. How does that benefit anyone?

Nah - serves them right for working for posho private schools.

Please don’t misunderstand, I am NO fan of Farage. Hell would have to freeze over before I would vote for reform. Sadly, there are many of feel differently…

Looking on the bright side, some people can look forward to improved job security due to all these children entering/re-entering the state system instead of wondering whether their schools are going to close due to the falling rolls from the huge drop in the birth rates.

But they're generally some of the lowest paid women in society. I can see how an improvement for them where they may have a job and even some discretionary spending would not matter to somebody on the other end of the social divide.

The estimate of the % of the population of school aged children who will move from private sector to state as a result of the tax on private schools is 0.1%.

Hardly going to mitigate the declining birth rate!

@Kitte321 That is right and we are sleep walking into it. The Right are on the rise. They don’t need much encouragement.

The only people who are better off are doctors and train drivers who work a full week. No one else has got their pay rises. Everyone else is worse off. Depends where the base line is though.There are a few prices stabilizing due to relatively low inflation but we’ve taken the massive hit already. The taxes we pay aren’t going down.

He is a liar , he and Labour are utter bastards and I’m glad I didn’t vote for them.

Starmer appears to be living in cloud cuckoo land. I'd love to hear the policies based upon which he is making these assertions.

The electorate were told the focus would be growth yet he has let his chancellor produce the highest ever tax raising budget in history. Inexplicably directing the majority of this tax at businesses therefore stifling any prospect of growth.

Many forecasts of the effect of the budget have been produced (OBR, IFS and others) and all credible sources agree its effect is to lower growth, decrease employment, lower productivity, increase inflation, reduce future payrises for employees. reduce desperately needed business investment, and keep interest rates higher for longer than would otherwise have been the case.

We would have been better off with no Government because pretty much every measure this one has taken has had a negative effect, in an already dire situation.

Meanwhile there is no plan, apparently, to generate productivity increases so that living standard can rise. Higher taxes absolutely hammering people and nothing built into the budget to cover even maintaining public sector spending at current levels in real-terms for the rest of the Parliament so doubtless this won't be the end of the punitive taxes.

Then, in return for some of the highest taxes in the world higher earners receive services that would be an embarrassment to a developing country so there is zero incentive to work hard. Oh, and they'll have 40% of your pension in tax as well, thank you, once the lack of anything resembling a health services results in an untimely death.

And to add insult to injury, the new taxes just imposed which will further lower UK living standards equate to less than the tax revenue being lost annually as a result of Brexit, so were all totally unnecessary if we had a Government with the backbone to take steps towards reversing that decision (and undo its worst impacts as the matter of most urgent priority).

It must be very inconvenient having such a large grey animal accompanying you to every meeting and studiously pretending you cannot see it while it squirts water all over the room through its trunk.

What do you think they stand for? It all sounds like commonsense to me

Ed. Sp

Carers got a £10 Christmas bonus too That's TEN WHOLE POUNDS!! Enough for the carer and their caree to really live the high life for a whole day - maybe be they could recreate a spa day with a bottle of Lidl showel gel, two Asda essentials flannels and a bottle of Lambrini. And have an actual shower using fairly warm water. Oh the opulence.

This is spot on 👏

Great post. We desperately need politicians with the necessary backbone to reverse the disastrous Brexit.

Great post. We desperately need politicians with the necessary backbone to reverse the disastrous Brexit.

Will the EU have us back?

Starmer says we are going to have more money in our pockets

We meaning Starmer and his mates. The rest of us already have less and will have even less.

So the economy which had started to bounce back in the early part of 2023 has now gone into decline. It would be wrong to place the blame for this at Labour's doorstep as it was in motion beforehand however raising NI in employers will definitely not help and the fastest growing G7 economy Labour promised (and which they desperately need to fulfill their promises) is not only pure fantasy but we will be doing well to get any growth.

Secondly tax burden is now at a record high of 38% and you really don't grow economies with this level of tax take.