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Has Labour crashed the economy ?

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Dbank · 15/12/2024 22:33

With recent news on GDP and job vacancies, do you think Labour's actions are about to trigger a recession?

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Alexandra2001 · 18/01/2025 12:51

sometimesmovingforwards · 18/01/2025 12:31

Oh I fully agree.
Just keep pushing the retirement age up.

Having people working for 40 years and then expecting the state to fund them for 20 years of retirement is a pisstake to the younger generation working to fund it.

The problem with that is instead of claiming their SP, they claim benefits instead, most jobs are not suitable for people to carry on working in beyond much over 65...
You'll also create a situation where the wealthy can and will retire and everyone else cannot.

68 is already too old and whilst the average life expectancy has increased, it is still very variable, in poorer areas, its hardly increased.

I don't know why any hasn't suggested the retired pay NI ? certainly on pensions above a certain amount, say £20k ?

yellowspanner · 18/01/2025 20:19

Yes they have crashed the economy

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 18/01/2025 20:29

@Nordione1 im sure there will be a legal challenge. A private company is not able to do that. Change the rules if you want, but not for those already retired. That’s stealing.

Nordione1 · 18/01/2025 21:16

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 18/01/2025 20:29

@Nordione1 im sure there will be a legal challenge. A private company is not able to do that. Change the rules if you want, but not for those already retired. That’s stealing.

Unfortunately the government can do what it likes. And NI yoi have paid in yourself is not ringfenced for you. Theres no big pension fund for future penisons. I'm sure if you are retired already though you don't need to worry.

If a private company is insolvent there's not much you could do about it either.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 18/01/2025 22:24

Nordione1 · 18/01/2025 21:16

Unfortunately the government can do what it likes. And NI yoi have paid in yourself is not ringfenced for you. Theres no big pension fund for future penisons. I'm sure if you are retired already though you don't need to worry.

If a private company is insolvent there's not much you could do about it either.

Indeed, the government can do what it likes, regrettably, hence the constantly shifting goalposts for those with personal pensions. But in the event a company is insolvent and still has a defined benefit scheme the PPF steps in and ensure people get (most) of their benefits. But, HMRC/DWP is not a member, so no compensation via that route. For defined contribution schemes an employer becoming insolvent has no effect, other than to the extent it hasn’t handed over contributions. But as it’s required to do this within the 3 weeks of it being deducted from the individual you’d have to be pretty remiss to be impacted by more than a month or two of contributions.

Nordione1 · 18/01/2025 22:32

Tryingtokeepgoing · 18/01/2025 22:24

Indeed, the government can do what it likes, regrettably, hence the constantly shifting goalposts for those with personal pensions. But in the event a company is insolvent and still has a defined benefit scheme the PPF steps in and ensure people get (most) of their benefits. But, HMRC/DWP is not a member, so no compensation via that route. For defined contribution schemes an employer becoming insolvent has no effect, other than to the extent it hasn’t handed over contributions. But as it’s required to do this within the 3 weeks of it being deducted from the individual you’d have to be pretty remiss to be impacted by more than a month or two of contributions.

Good info. But my point was that if there's no money there's no money and not a lot you can do. Hopefully there will be some reforms as it's our kids that will bear the huge burden.

upinaballoon · 19/01/2025 19:19

1dayatatime · 18/01/2025 12:22

@sometimesmovingforwards

"It looked workable until we ended up with shit loads of old people and not enough young people coming up behind them. "

It looked workable until the life expectancy went up for men from 65 in 1948 to 79 today and from 70 to 83 for women.

Rather than means test the state pension it would be simpler, reduce costs quicker and less controversial to simply increase the retirement age by 2 or 3 months every year.

Or kill off the shit-loads of old people.

HappydaysArehere · 22/02/2025 11:08

hattie43 · 15/12/2024 22:49

Labour have never run the economy well . It'll be Reform next giving it a go .

Wonderful if the absent Farage and one of
Putin’s best pals is PM. Don’t be hood winked. There is too much right wing alliance already in Europe.

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