Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

[Lyannaa]

There are a lot of people, even in the UK who act like you have offended their mum or dad if you point out what an awful person he clearly is. Even his own family don't like him and plenty of people have said how his relationships with his own children are merely transactional.

If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

Like the Labour apologists on MN keep saying about Starmer and his merry band, give Trump time to show how good he is…

He's been in power before - did you forget that bit?

When I was out in the US (Florida) in the run up to the previous election this wasn't my experience at all. Most news channels, most newspapers and media sources all touted Trump as credible. The coverage in the US was completely different to the UK.

This is definitely true. 'Trad wives' in America want biblically defined roles for men and women. Some of them make videos about how they get up whilst it's still dark because that's what the Bible says women should do.

No he did not asked people to inject bleach on themselves. It is not true but yes Biden repeated this endlessly. It feels that the big come back is Karma for the people who pushed him out with lies in 2020 just to do a terrible job.

@dottiehens I have posted a video of Trump literally saying the disinfectant blunder in response to your original request for a video.

The words came out of Trump's mouth, not Biden's. Are we now going to hear from you that televised footage was AI or something? Wouldn't surprise me.

While I still look at Trump and Harris and think is that really the best America could do, I think the Trump hand-wringing is a bit extreme. People want change and don't trust career politicians to deliver it.

Extreme? Is it not concerning that a man who has previously shown they don't believe in democracy is now given back all the power they crave? This is a man who incited an insurrection and refused to transition power to the new administration in 2020. A man whose admiration for dictators around the world like Putin and Kim Jong Un is concerning.

It's funny how the machines work fine and nobody stole the election when it goes his way isn't it 🤣

For anyone who watches LBC, I think he sums this all up very well

I haven’t said whether I think he’s a good man or not I just asked the question. Do I think he’s the right man for the job… yes I do but that’s a different question

I honestly don’t care if he’s a nice guy or not, what I care about is whether or not he’s gonna change America for the better.

I believe he’s going to make things better (as I define it) so voted for him on that basis.

Jimmy Carter is genuinely a nice guy but he was from all accounts an ineffective president and couldn’t meet the challenges of that age.

One billion Chinese argue against that: they are richer than ever before and many now enjoy a high standard of living. Decline is a choice.

Just because Britain is declining and not very productive doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to follow this madness

🙄🤣

Possibly in part because he wiped off the debt of historically black colleges in the USA and made special provisions for their learning. IT equipment, bursaries and so forth

"Pro Life" is a misnomer. It is "pro forced birth". Delivery of a child is all that matters to this group. The death of the mother or the welfare of the child post-birth are of no concern/interest to them.

I had this chat at work and he is surprisingly popular amongst certain demographics. Apparently he says what people are thinking. I was 😱 I did listen to a podcast that suggested that the appeal of a “strong man” authoritarian leader has increased in countries where there is more social liberalism. This is partly because of divisive propaganda, you have less because someone else is taking more (immigrants are taking your jobs etc.) also because of a high dissatisfaction level with the way government institutions are run. It was shockingly low tbh. Trump is perceived as someone who doesn’t give a shit about the rule of law, the UN, climate, NATO and will happily bulldoze his way through whatever to line his own pockets and those of his supporters whilst telling everyone he is MAGA

Extreme? Is it not concerning that a man who has previously shown they don't believe in democracy is now given back all the power they crave?

You've rather proved my point. The fact is that he won the most votes (and indeed by a number of different measures).

People may have held their noses and voted for him but they want change and clearly Americans think he's a better option. Harris didn't have any substance and, had Biden not clung on and stepped down sooner, they'd have stood a better chance with a stronger candidate.

About the votes and machines. Do you know how much more scrutiny they have this time? Harris knew she was toast early on as they counted the postal votes first. Unlike the last time. The Democrats highly encouraged people to vote by post for some reason and the few I know voted for Harris did it by post.

Can you really scream fraud with a massive win? A trifecta in fact. It was not a close race at all.

Yes, she is horrified at the thought of someone would kill their own babies. I am pro choice but you need to respect other people views. We are all different.

I am pro-choice as well and agree. It’s not always about ‘punishing people for sex’ or ‘controlling women’ or whatever. They really do think it’s a real human being worthy of protection.

Catholic women in particular have always been the leader of the pro-life movement in America. Laid-back Protestants like myself see it more as a personal choice, if a bit distasteful.

Where? When?

April 23, 2020, in the White House briefing room. This is a stone cold fact.
I guess you thought it was clever to ask for a date and place, thinking nobody would be able to provide that information.
Nice try.

US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.
He also appeared to propose irradiating patients' bodies with UV light, an idea dismissed by a doctor at the briefing.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

This is a ridiculous claim

Not so much, obviously. I suggest you inform yourself before you spout off. Are you unable to use Google?

Why would anyone respect views s/he finds abhorrent? You can be respectful towards people without respecting their point of view.

@XChrome talking to these people is futile 🤦🏻‍♀️ how they can live like this, I just don't know.

Did you actually read the article yourself? It's quite clear that he was asking questions of the expert, Dr Deborah Birx. In the video soundtrack, he ends his sentences with an upward inflection, but of course the BBC didn't include question marks in the article, falsely suggesting he was making a statement. Asking questions of an expert is a good thing.

You are going with inflection as an excuse. 😄Ludicrous evasion.

It doesn't matter if he was asking or telling. Anybody who would ask such an insane question is not fit to lead a boy scout troop, let alone a country. It is not a good thing that anyone would think injecting bleach could possibly be safe. It shows a staggering level of ignorance. Your excuses do not wash and you know it.

And here is exactly my point of the entire thread. Someone who is willing to make themselves look ridiculous to 'prove' that Trump has good intentions, is not in fact, as thick as mince. And the consternation is as if it were someone defending their own family member.

And there are so many people doing this that I can only assume it's a cult.

It has most of the hallmarks of a cult; extreme beliefs, authoritarian control, exaggerated, irrational fears, exploitation, demonization of outsiders, devotion to a charismatic leader (or at least they find him charismatic) and no tolerance for criticism. It just doesn't have the secrecy and isolation of a traditional cult.

Yes, very true.