Why America voted for Trump, a simple, sane summary

[Bippy2024]

This is why Trump won so resoundingly - this is why 72 million Americans voted for him - in one of his voter's own words.

If you choose to monster and slur 72 million people, that's saying a lot about you. Every accusation is a confession.

"I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. Let me tell you their reasons.
They wanted a return to normalcy. Gender ideology is just too out there. They want to protect women and children.

The economy has been disastrous for them. They didn’t have a cushion to absorb the inflation. They are cutting out everything in their lives just to afford food. And some are cutting that out.

Their lives have gotten very small. When they tried to tell you, they were told they shouldn’t splurge on things like a frozen pizza.

They see people coming illegally into this country and being handed stuff. Their stuff. Their money is being handed over. They have nothing. They watch as others are just handed more than they have.

They can’t afford rent and don’t know what to do. More people fighting for the same housing units makes prices rise.

They see a frightening turn towards censorship. They value the first amendment. Remember, it’s very important. They are so tired of being lied to and called terrible names.

Every time the mainstream media made up a story to make people hysterical they rolled their eyes. This pushed more and more people away. They stopped having any faith in the media. A firing squad? Really?

They feel the hysteria is toxic and frightening. Again they want this all to calm down.

They watch as political protests are punished for only one side. They see crime running rampant.

They see the people who try to protect us from crime being punished. The criminals go free to re-offend.

Essentially, they want their children to be healthy, they want their family to be fed, they don’t want endless war, they want things to be fair, they want the bad guys punished and the good guys appreciated, they want to protect women and children.

I hope if you are frightened today you will hear me. I hope I can help you see that things are not dire. I hope I can help you see that these were regular everyday folks who want regular everyday things. Food, clothing, shelter, privacy, respect for boundaries.

That’s it. Just those things. Peace."

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1854179213399502850

I have no reason to doubt the analysis and it makes sense. It's not an issue though for a lot of people as they believe in the MAGA principle and that is why they voted Republican.

That is fundamentally goods consumed by Americans should be made by Americans in America. It's actually incredibly environmentally friendly!

It's not about paying $1700 more a year, it's about not buying tat from China in the first place.

I saw on another thread someone say talk about a "difference in core values" (if their DH would vote Trump). The thing is though most British people's core values are buying clothes made in the Far East by children because they are cheap, buying Chinese electronic tat/gadgets that quickly end up in landfill, and still using Russian gas because comfort is more important than principles. So yes, most Brits do have different core values to Donald Trump.

I understand why people voted for him.

Desperate people do desperate things.

He’s still a madman who will do more harm than good.

This thread has actually summed up exactly what I believe Trump voters are - either stupid/desperate enough to believe anything or morally reprehensible. Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

And this, in a nutshell, is the political problem the democrats have. When working class, middle American voters support them, they are the salt of the earth and small town saints. When they disagree with democrats on matters of policy and vote against them, they're deplorable rubbish, stupid and desperate.

Blaming the voters when you lose is a poor political strategy and leads to more losses in the future.

That's true of course, just bookkeeping, where's the harm. What about the sexual offences? Just a bit of tomfoolery gone wrong, I guess?

You're right clearly a lot of Americans have thoughts and beliefs I can't begin to understand.

Last time around he had a lot of people around him to keep him in check, this time it doesn't seem that is the case.

That’s a load of nonsense.

You can hold an opinion without the same being true of yourself.

It is not always projection.

I’ve never been an advocate for shutting people up aka cancel culture. Freedom of speech is always essential.

As for scrutiny and suspicion, yes, by all means exercise both of these as much as possible.

Democracy is the way we have chosen to govern ourselves in the west. When the people speak they must be heard. This is perhaps even more essential for Trump’s detractors than for his supporters.

If Trump-stype American core values include buying American, one wonders why there are so many made-in-China red MAGA hats sitting proudly on American heads.

In principle it's not a bad thing to increase domestic production and reduce reliance on overseas manufacturing. The issue is that to go from an economy that is heavily reliant on overseas suppliers, to one that is more self-sufficient, is a very long and insanely expensive process. You want to make your own electronics? You'll need a silicon fab or 10. You want to make your own silicon fab? You'll need incredibly precise machinery and optics as well as supplies of a wide variety of interesting chemicals. You want the machines that can build those incredibly precise machinery and optics, and the industrial processes to manufacture those chemicals...?

To get from here, to there, will need much more than just a blanket tariff on imported goods. That's like deciding you want to get fit to enter a marathon and so you start by cutting your legs off so you'll weigh less.

@MissConductUS

I don't pander to racist or homophobic rhetoric just because it's now acceptable to hold those views. If you are willing to vote for a sexual predator for whatever reason, I will judge you because you are willing to sacrifice the rights of minorities for your own personal gain. A political narrative is always necessary and of course there will be disagreements on policy but human rights are non negotiable.

Also the Democrats are a fundamentally flawed party. I don't agree with everything they believe in, I don't support every policy of theirs. But that does not mean they were not the better choice. They were. Infinity times over.

I didn't vote for Trump and find him to be odious on many levels, but I understand why so many people thought he would be better for the country than Harris, who ran an absolutely awful campaign, by the way.

This is why Harris lost.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/how-kamala-harris-lost-presidential-election-88e594e8?st=CHTdDd&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

I’m not screaming at anyone. I do think Trump is a racist misogynist disgusting human being. I do understand what people want to be different; I also think he is abhorrent and does not have the best interests of women or the environment at heart and that bothers me.

People are allowed to dislike him and find it sad that he won without being told we’re bigots. I’m not screaming or calling anyone names. I’m allowed to not like the result or think it is good news. Your guy won, congratulations. Hope you get what you want.

He suggested injecting bleach might be a good idea.

Amazing really.

Trump did not do well on the economy. Go find a simple explanation for the economics. It was Obama’s economy!! Ffs.

As I said, I cannot understand.
I get why the democratic campaign was limp and without proper strategy, but what i don't understand is how those 72 million Americans - including minority groups that he has maligned over the past however many years forgot all about that and voted for him anyway.
It does look as though 12 million democrats failed to vote this time which really is the reason they did not win, but goodness me those 72 million just saying oh yes dodgy bookkeeping and sexual assault - potential rape - these don't matter in a president. What matters to me is what's in my bank account. I guess they didn't press the inflation point about tariffs.

I will say though, that I don’t remember the disgusting slogan “Your body my choice” trending on social media after Biden’s win. You can see why people are upset. Not hysterical or threatening, just a bit sad. Let’s hope things calm down soon for everyone.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/trump-misogyny-tiktok-reproductive-rights-us-election-b2643207.html

I thought one big feather in trumps favour was his stance in abortion and how many extreme Christians there are in the us ?

and racism

And homophobia

@Bippy2024

"They wanted a return to normalcy. Gender ideology is just too out there. They want to protect women and children"

Ie "I voted for a fascist because I hate and fear trans people. Even though I've never met any".

Sounds about right.

The OP is so bristling with disinformation and far right propaganda it's astonishing.

And tells you exactly why people voted for Trump. Propaganda. Ignorance. Hatred of transgender people. Lies.

It's not quite that simple. The Obama economy was good. Trump's was comparable, and on some measures better.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/2c298bda-8aee-4923-84a3-95a54f7f6e6f/did-trump-create-or-inherit-the-strong-economy.pdf

From a quote I found today:
"Overall, Trump has 34 felony counts to his name, one official conviction, two cases still pending and two impeachments on his CV (along with six instances of bankruptcy to his name..."

He would be declined a PVG certificate and definitely wouldn't be considered for ANY job, even a temporary Christmas post...yet he's been chosen to run a country. Something still just doesn't add up in my books and, quite frankly, it's scary.

People in so called safe states consistently vote for one party, regardless of the candidate, meaning party is the dominant factor. Issues like gender ideology, immigration, and abortion may not sway voters as much as party loyalty does. So the 2024 election result is more about the Democratic Party's failure to secure the election, not necessarily an indication of American support for Trump.

Trump offered simple 'solutions' to tough problems. Enough voters like it and can't or won't critically appraise the policy.
Unfortunately the tough problems are complex and hard to solve, and likely to have serious consequences.
Nothing is fact checked and he just says whatever comes into his head. Eg 'They' say 'they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats....
We have had it in the UK with Brexit, Rwanda etc. Same meat, different gravy.

The only thing better about the Trump economy is that under Trump the country wasn't experiencing inflation caused by the end of the pandemic that impacted roughly equally US and Eurozone economies. Inflation that Trump blamed on Biden.