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username7891 · 02/11/2024 16:53

OonaStubbs · 02/11/2024 16:52

Maternity leave isn't great for childfree women.

Neither are schools.

Zonder · 02/11/2024 16:54

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 16:29

Have you actually read her real life? She arrived back to London from Nigeria with a tiny amount of money and worked in McDonalds after the left wing Nigerian government ruined her country.

Here is a woman that really does stand for something in my book. We are so lucky to have her.

You'd think she would have a little more sympathy for other people coming here for asylum, wouldn't you?

NetZeroZealot · 02/11/2024 16:54

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 16:41

A rapid transition to Net Zero is unwise at best.

1 - We don’t have adequate infrastructure or technology to shift to renewables. This means significant investment immediately at huge expense to the population. Energy that is produced from renewables is both high cost and unreliable. Additionally, the amount of energy we can produce from renewables is insufficient at the moment, and we already know what supply and demand does to costs. We can expect our energy costs to rise further for the foreseeable.

2 - Fossil fuel sectors and other sectors that utilise fossil fuels are likely to see hundreds, thousands of job losses. Renewables are completely different and workers may not be retained for retraining.

3 - The less money you have, the bigger percentage of it gets spent on energy. As energy bills rise, this leaves the poorest, even poorer.

4 - As previously mentioned, we need a lot of money to transition to Net Zero. That means more tax and/or more investment. Like most new investment, return takes time. Often many years. And it will be many years before we see any benefit. In the meantime, we will be expected to keep investing. And all this time, abroad they’ll be investing in fossil fuel and nuclear, leaving us behind.

5 - Such a huge transition can slow down economic growth. As the country ploughs money into ‘a greener future’, people will have to spend more on energy, or go without/cut down at times of short supply. With more money ploughed into energy, there is less to spend in other sectors.

To mitigate these risks, it is vital that policymakers should have planned a gradual transition to net zero that considers economic stability, job creation, and support for the vulnerable. They haven’t. It’s just a race, a vanity project.

Balancing environmental goals with economic realities should be essential to avoid making the country poorer in the pursuit of sustainability. Unfortunately, as previously mentioned, we’re in a race with a small group of other western countries, Germany, France, New Zealand, Canada etc intent on doing ourselves as much harm as possible in pursuit of Net Zero…and in the end, we won’t make a blind bit of difference to global emissions.

I will respond to each of your points.

  1. We do need to invest in new energy infrastructure after decades of under investment. However that applies equally whether the energy is renewables, nuclear or fossil fuels. New solar and wind power are cheeper per unit to generate than any other source of energy. We are already generating close to 50% of energy from renewables and the cost has plummeted in the last 15 years.
  2. There are only 200,000 people employed in the fossil fuels sector. The potential for growth in the green jobs sector is much higher. They can and will find other jobs.
  3. This is sadly true, but measures to tackle climate change such as improving energy efficiency (critical) and increasing renewables WILL help bring down bills in the long term.
  4. More investment leads to more jobs and more economic growth. We will be left behind if we don't invest in the green economy, not the other way round.
  5. There is no shortage of energy and no risk of it. See my points above - renewables are cheaper and readily available. They will bring down bills in the long run.
All the world's leading economies are following a strategy of getting to Net Zero and you think it's just a "vanity project". Did you see what happened in Valencia this week?
Scentedjasmin · 02/11/2024 16:56

I'm reserving judgement. She's well educated and has worked hard to achieve qualifications and roles in her life. However, I have found her to be quite hard line and rigid at times, which is influenced by her religion. I also think that she's got ahead because of her colour, because it makes it (slightly) harder to accuse the party of being 'right wing' when she rolls out anti immigration policies. I feel as though the Conservative Party want to use her to hide behind by appearing to be more progressive than they actually are. At the end of the day I'll judge her on her actions, whether she is firm but fair, how measured she is, whether she has honesty and integrity and on her policies on the NHS and Climate Change (which matter most to me). I always try to keep an open mind. However, the vast majority of politicians tend to disappoint.

goawaynottoday · 02/11/2024 16:58

JaneEyreLaughing · 02/11/2024 16:11

She's not bleeding Rumpelstiltskin you know! Her name isn't secret knowledge-it's the first thing on her Wikipedia page!

Nonetheless, @goawaynottoday what a nasty little post dripping with barely concealed racism.

How unpleasant the far left are.

I'm also Nigerian, fyi. And unlike her I proudly go by my full name, I don't attempt to Westernise it to make it more "palatable" to manipulate racists.

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 16:58

username7891 · 02/11/2024 16:51

She thinks businesses are hamstrung by too much regulation eg statutory rights.

Agreed. And it is. Workers rights are great for the individual, but not for the economy.
Compare the UK with the US. The American economy has been doing better than us for years, mainly because they aren’t forced to put people before profits.
Im not sure that it’s a good idea either to allow businesses to treat workers like commodities, but at the same time there needs to be balance.
Giving people who’ve just started in a job all the perks of those who’ve committed to their employer for a few years, is asking for trouble. I don’t think people who’ve been in a job for a couple of weeks should get full sick pay etc. I think Angela Rayners policy is also going to hit businesses hard and slow down the economy. Allowing women to take extended time off on maternity is not good for all business and business needs to have some say, if we are to grow the economy.

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 16:58

Zonder · 02/11/2024 16:54

You'd think she would have a little more sympathy for other people coming here for asylum, wouldn't you?

No.

As Kemi knows as we all do that we can’t support the women and children already here! They are living in bed sits and in hotels for years on end. We have an acute housing crisis. We simply can not manage over a million arrivals every year fgs!

It is my guess that Kemi will prioritise the people already here, her integration strategies into place and start controlling immigration properly. We all know we are literally at capacity. I agree with her.

Clafoutie · 02/11/2024 16:58

showmethegin · 02/11/2024 11:26

Have I wandered into an alternate universe. She's absolutely vile. It's a bad thing for everyone that someone that holds the views she does is in parliament.

My thoughts exactly. I read the first 20 or so posts praising her and thought, what am I reading? I thought Mumsnet probably skewed right, but not to this extent. She is defensive when challenged, divisive, and as for someone saying she has done so much for women…. 🙄

ilovesooty · 02/11/2024 16:58

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 02/11/2024 15:33

Nice try, well done.

Well if you're not prepared to justify what you said I'll draw my own conclusions. If someone applauds their husband punishing his mother for her political beliefs I think that's a reprehensible attitude. That makes me a bully does it?

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 16:59

Clafoutie · 02/11/2024 16:58

My thoughts exactly. I read the first 20 or so posts praising her and thought, what am I reading? I thought Mumsnet probably skewed right, but not to this extent. She is defensive when challenged, divisive, and as for someone saying she has done so much for women…. 🙄

She is incredibly talented that’s why people are applauding her.

Ruddhullettonashed · 02/11/2024 17:02

Thank you for the link. The writing seems very muddled and demonstrates a lack of understanding which concerns me. Anxiety and autism can exist together but are 2 very different conditions which she doesn’t seem to understand. There are a lot of assumptions presented as facts around mental health such as people who experienced events that were non traumatic now feel entitled to support. How on earth does she know if people used to find things traumatic or not? The paragraph about children getting equipment and transport to school is ridiculous. I had to home educate my child for two years because there was so little accommodation for him. It’s fine to start a conversation about issues if they are based in fact but not on the level of ignorance displayed in this essay, it’s worryingly ignorant.

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 17:02

NetZeroZealot · 02/11/2024 16:54

I will respond to each of your points.

  1. We do need to invest in new energy infrastructure after decades of under investment. However that applies equally whether the energy is renewables, nuclear or fossil fuels. New solar and wind power are cheeper per unit to generate than any other source of energy. We are already generating close to 50% of energy from renewables and the cost has plummeted in the last 15 years.
  2. There are only 200,000 people employed in the fossil fuels sector. The potential for growth in the green jobs sector is much higher. They can and will find other jobs.
  3. This is sadly true, but measures to tackle climate change such as improving energy efficiency (critical) and increasing renewables WILL help bring down bills in the long term.
  4. More investment leads to more jobs and more economic growth. We will be left behind if we don't invest in the green economy, not the other way round.
  5. There is no shortage of energy and no risk of it. See my points above - renewables are cheaper and readily available. They will bring down bills in the long run.
All the world's leading economies are following a strategy of getting to Net Zero and you think it's just a "vanity project". Did you see what happened in Valencia this week?

1 - this is incorrect. A complete change to renewables is far more expensive
2 - tell that to the steel workers in Port Talbot
3 - we’re not talking seeing the benefits in 1-2 years, we’re talking way into the future, we won’t all still be here to reap those rewards
4 - I disagree. I think we should be doing it, but at a slower pace and whilst still making use of fossil fuels to keep costs down
5 - Untrue. This is a real risk.

I am all for looking towards net zero at a sensible pace. The speed at which Ed Milliband is trying to do it is the vanity project. And the biggest economies, China and the US also disagree with you.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2024 17:03

Zonder · 02/11/2024 16:54

You'd think she would have a little more sympathy for other people coming here for asylum, wouldn't you?

What is working about the process now? Numbers higher, risk higher, deaths each week in the channel and people making more money from it

The system isn't a good one, it's too damaging and risky already

Quercus30 · 02/11/2024 17:05

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 16:58

Agreed. And it is. Workers rights are great for the individual, but not for the economy.
Compare the UK with the US. The American economy has been doing better than us for years, mainly because they aren’t forced to put people before profits.
Im not sure that it’s a good idea either to allow businesses to treat workers like commodities, but at the same time there needs to be balance.
Giving people who’ve just started in a job all the perks of those who’ve committed to their employer for a few years, is asking for trouble. I don’t think people who’ve been in a job for a couple of weeks should get full sick pay etc. I think Angela Rayners policy is also going to hit businesses hard and slow down the economy. Allowing women to take extended time off on maternity is not good for all business and business needs to have some say, if we are to grow the economy.

Blimey!

republicofjam · 02/11/2024 17:06

twistyizzy · 02/11/2024 16:51

No, his dad owned it

He really didn't. Check Companies House. He was however a director of his wife's Donkey sanctuary, if that helps.

wombat15 · 02/11/2024 17:06

Clafoutie · 02/11/2024 16:58

My thoughts exactly. I read the first 20 or so posts praising her and thought, what am I reading? I thought Mumsnet probably skewed right, but not to this extent. She is defensive when challenged, divisive, and as for someone saying she has done so much for women…. 🙄

It is because she is anti trans and that is all some posters on MN care about. They would vote for Hitler if he was transphobic (and let's face it, he probably would be)!

Understairscupboard · 02/11/2024 17:07

"Bob Blackman, chair of the Conservative 1922 Committee, revealed the party membership had shrunk to 132,000 - the lowest level on record and down 40,000 members since the last vote by members in 2022. "

Kemi might be turning the lights off on her way out.

wombat15 · 02/11/2024 17:08

username7891 · 02/11/2024 16:53

Neither are schools.

Did childless women not go to school themselves?

PandoraSox · 02/11/2024 17:08

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 16:58

No.

As Kemi knows as we all do that we can’t support the women and children already here! They are living in bed sits and in hotels for years on end. We have an acute housing crisis. We simply can not manage over a million arrivals every year fgs!

It is my guess that Kemi will prioritise the people already here, her integration strategies into place and start controlling immigration properly. We all know we are literally at capacity. I agree with her.

It is my guess that Kemi will prioritise the people already here, her integration strategies into place and start controlling immigration properly. We all know we are literally at capacity. I agree with her

You're jumping the gun a bit, here. She has to win a general election first.

BIossomtoes · 02/11/2024 17:08

twistyizzy · 02/11/2024 16:51

No, his dad owned it

He didn’t. He was a sole trader in a derelict building.

Understairscupboard · 02/11/2024 17:09

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 16:58

Agreed. And it is. Workers rights are great for the individual, but not for the economy.
Compare the UK with the US. The American economy has been doing better than us for years, mainly because they aren’t forced to put people before profits.
Im not sure that it’s a good idea either to allow businesses to treat workers like commodities, but at the same time there needs to be balance.
Giving people who’ve just started in a job all the perks of those who’ve committed to their employer for a few years, is asking for trouble. I don’t think people who’ve been in a job for a couple of weeks should get full sick pay etc. I think Angela Rayners policy is also going to hit businesses hard and slow down the economy. Allowing women to take extended time off on maternity is not good for all business and business needs to have some say, if we are to grow the economy.

Is that you Ebeneezer?

Clafoutie · 02/11/2024 17:10

Savingthehedgehogs · 02/11/2024 16:59

She is incredibly talented that’s why people are applauding her.

I agree that she is talented but a lot of people with objectionable views are talented. It seems like a low bar for praise! I do accept that it is each to their own though.

twistyizzy · 02/11/2024 17:11

republicofjam · 02/11/2024 17:06

He really didn't. Check Companies House. He was however a director of his wife's Donkey sanctuary, if that helps.

If it helps, his dad's company was called The Oxted Tool company

username7891 · 02/11/2024 17:11

Llhaaf · 02/11/2024 16:58

Agreed. And it is. Workers rights are great for the individual, but not for the economy.
Compare the UK with the US. The American economy has been doing better than us for years, mainly because they aren’t forced to put people before profits.
Im not sure that it’s a good idea either to allow businesses to treat workers like commodities, but at the same time there needs to be balance.
Giving people who’ve just started in a job all the perks of those who’ve committed to their employer for a few years, is asking for trouble. I don’t think people who’ve been in a job for a couple of weeks should get full sick pay etc. I think Angela Rayners policy is also going to hit businesses hard and slow down the economy. Allowing women to take extended time off on maternity is not good for all business and business needs to have some say, if we are to grow the economy.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. I believe in worker's rights and protections. It's interesting that you don't want any rights. It's also interesting that you're blaming our stagnant economy on worker's rights and not Brexit or austerity and mismanagement.

rainingsnoring · 02/11/2024 17:12

OonaStubbs · 02/11/2024 16:52

Maternity leave isn't great for childfree women.

That would be because they don't carry children, give birth to them and take responsibility for raising them.
Perhaps you might argue that maternity leave is on unfair on men too. Or perhaps you might argue that we should scrap women't rights because men don't get them or that we should scrap gay people's rights because they penalise straight people.

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