Steamers and the superinjunction

[hamstersarse]

Starmer surely can’t survive this one?

Guido Fox guy says it’s about the ‘shape of his family’ and reveals: “We have a name. As do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate."

Seems the allegations are something to do with an extra marital lady plus baby.

My opinion on this is that anyone who is such a control freak as to jail people for what they say is clearly a very dark person. And the hypocrisy he’s shown about almost everything he’s ever said, also shows a very dark underbelly,

He hasn’t paid VAT, he’s reimbursed the donor. Lord Alli has his money back.

"VAT is owed on any corporate gift in excess of £50, that’s what the HMRC website states. There isn’t a slide rule for slimy toad politicians."

Vat isn't paid by the giftee though

Don't confuse them with logic or facts. It gets in the way of a good ill-informed rant.

Its purpose is transparency so that you can he see who has been given what and by whom. A bit like when registering conflicts of interest in a scientific paper.

So you can see when someone donates £££££s of free gifts and subsequently receives a peerage. Or of you were to receive £££££s of gifts from a donor who makes his money from property rental and vote down legislation that makes property rental safer for tenants or maybe introduce legislation that benefits landlords while making things worse for tenants.

This has been confusing me for the last couple of pages. Thank you for helping convince me it isn’t me that doesn’t understand.

But If a minister attends an event in their official capacity, they are not required to declare it on their MP register of interest. Instead, the gift or hospitality is usually released in transparency data by their department.

It was in 2015 under Mr Cameron’s government that parliamentary rules on gifts were changed to give ministers an exemption on anything they receive “in their ministerial capacity”.

First thing - if you're the kind of momentous cunt who thinks it's just fine to stir up racial hatred that spills out into the streets as riots then you absolutely deserve jail time.

As for this piece of highly-likely utter bollox, I'll believe it if it ACTUALLY happens, not when it's reported on a crappy, right wing idiot's shite website.

For those who care about actual factual reporting...

Guido Fawkes - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com)

I'd bet you were one of those who just loved Boris and wanted to smooth over all of his shenanigans, yeah?

The smear campaign is so boring already.

The article quoted is clear that tax on gifts is not owed by politicians, but thinks it would be a good idea for this to change.

By all means, lobby for this change, start threads suggesting this change, but don't lie and imply that Starmer is dodging tax under the present rules.

But shadow ministers have to declare even if they are at the same event as the minister who doesn't

Exactly. That’s how Lucy Powell’s declaration got to be so high.

Exactly, but that is conveniently omitted by the media

Isn’t that the rule Starmer is changing though? So they now need to be registered under their MP register.

At the risk of mentioning Boris, he’d be screwed. Think of all the free holidays you’d have to declare rather than sticking them on the ministerial register.

Yes. They only have the option to declare it on the MP register. They can’t claim it under the ministerial one.

Yes according to Cabinet Office minister Pat McFadden, the "loophole" would be closed in a forthcoming update to the ministerial rulebook.

Watch for the story about how labour MPs are claiming loads more in expenses than the Tories did without mentioning the rule change meaning you are comparing apples with oranges.

It's a sad inditement of our press. How does a democracy function when the media is owned by a handful of billionaires with an agenda?

It’s a sad indictment that it’s predictable.

Meanwhile Jenrick getting much less heat for whatever the fuck is going on with that donation that looks like it isn’t even within the same ballpark as the rules. Or even the law.

They get a free pass because they're Tories and it's expected.

the papers are absolutely gunning for him and I really hope the plan plays out. Whilst the press should hold politicians to account, they should not be unelected rulers of the country 👏👏👏👏

Same here.

Uugghhh I feel sick at the thought.

I don't think Lord Alli has had his money back - the reimbursements went elsewhere;

Gifts now paid for by Starmer include four Taylor Swift tickets from Universal Music Group totalling £2,800, and two Taylor Swift tickets from the Football Association at a cost of £598. He also returned the cost of four tickets to Doncaster Races from Arena Racing Corporation at £1,939.

An £839 clothing rental agreement with Edeline Lee, the designer recently worn by Victoria Starmer to London fashion week, along with one hour of hair and makeup, was also covered by the prime minister.

Whatever. The donors have been reimbursed, it’s still nothing to do with VAT.

Lord Alli has a business interest in the same tax haven. I had to laugh at the Guardian - there's no mention that the British Virgin Islands is a tax haven in the section on Lord Alli - only in the later section on Jenrick. They are talking about the same place!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/02/keir-starmer-pays-back-6000-worth-of-gifts-and-hospitality

Johnson reimbursed the donors for the flat redecoration.