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Steamers and the superinjunction

350 replies

hamstersarse · 03/10/2024 02:17

Starmer surely can’t survive this one?

Guido Fox guy says it’s about the ‘shape of his family’ and reveals: “We have a name. As do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate."

Seems the allegations are something to do with an extra marital lady plus baby.

My opinion on this is that anyone who is such a control freak as to jail people for what they say is clearly a very dark person. And the hypocrisy he’s shown about almost everything he’s ever said, also shows a very dark underbelly,

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BIossomtoes · 03/10/2024 19:05

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:04

Johnson reimbursed the donors for the flat redecoration.

Grudgingly and under duress.

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:14

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2024 13:50

Exactly. That’s how Lucy Powell’s declaration got to be so high.

Lucy Powell was Shadow Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport 29 November 2021 - 4 September 2023. She has accepted a higher than average number of sports related hospitality gifts in the last six months (one or two for staff);

https://members.parliament.uk/member/4263/registeredinterests
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4263/career

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2024 19:16

So did the Minister for Sports and Culture not attend the same events? I suppose as they didn't have to register their attendance we won't know.

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:17

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:14

Lucy Powell was Shadow Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport 29 November 2021 - 4 September 2023. She has accepted a higher than average number of sports related hospitality gifts in the last six months (one or two for staff);

https://members.parliament.uk/member/4263/registeredinterests
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4263/career

Because her counterpart(s) in goverment didn't need to declare

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:31

BlastedPimples
Does he paint himself as holier than thou?

I remember he was dubbed 'self-sainted Starmer' in the Guardian last year.

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:31

All declared and no lost whatsapps or phones reported

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:34

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:17

Because her counterpart(s) in goverment didn't need to declare

What counterpart? Why did she need to attend sports events when she was no longer Shadow Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport?

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:38

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:34

What counterpart? Why did she need to attend sports events when she was no longer Shadow Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport?

For the same reason as Badenoch, spending time with her family?

It's perks of the job, no need but not illegal as long as they are declared.

It would be good if that culture could be changed, Tories had 14 years to do so so give Labour some time, there are more pressing issues.

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:41

RafaistheKingofClay
At the risk of mentioning Boris, he’d be screwed. Think of all the free holidays you’d have to declare rather than sticking them on the ministerial register.

Johnson's holidays were investigated after Angela Rayner complained to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards - I don't think it would have made much difference!

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/ethics-watchdog-clears-pm-over-mustique-holiday
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/11/19/boris-johnson-clear-family-holiday-luxury-marbella-villa/

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:46

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:38

For the same reason as Badenoch, spending time with her family?

It's perks of the job, no need but not illegal as long as they are declared.

It would be good if that culture could be changed, Tories had 14 years to do so so give Labour some time, there are more pressing issues.

Last time I looked - Badenoch only had 4 hospitality events registered since 2019 - the Guardian reported that Keir Starmer had 40 sets of free tickets registered since he became Labour leader.

SabrinaThwaite · 03/10/2024 19:47

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:04

Johnson reimbursed the donors for the flat redecoration.

Eventually.

The Tory Party was fined £17,800 by the Electoral Commission over its failure to declare that Lord Brownlow had bunged £52,000 to the Cabinet Office to pay for it.

Brownlow also paid £60k to suppliers that didn’t have to be declared.

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:48

He did have a problems with declaring things properly, didn't he, not just once but several times

Not a man of detail

SabrinaThwaite · 03/10/2024 19:50

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:48

He did have a problems with declaring things properly, didn't he, not just once but several times

Not a man of detail

That’s the joke doing the rounds about Laura Kuenssberg accidentally sending her interview briefing notes to Johnson.

It wouldn’t matter because Johnson never read briefing notes anyway.

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:50

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:46

Last time I looked - Badenoch only had 4 hospitality events registered since 2019 - the Guardian reported that Keir Starmer had 40 sets of free tickets registered since he became Labour leader.

Why did she need to attend?

Oh and she hasn't declared her latest donations yet, the ones from Neil Record

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:51

SabrinaThwaite · 03/10/2024 19:50

That’s the joke doing the rounds about Laura Kuenssberg accidentally sending her interview briefing notes to Johnson.

It wouldn’t matter because Johnson never read briefing notes anyway.

Very true 😂

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:00

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:31

All declared and no lost whatsapps or phones reported

I thought deleting messages was one of the reasons Vaughan Gething was forced to resigned? Labour were in government in Wales:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/08/welsh-first-minister-rejects-covid-inquiry-perjury-claims
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe91p5gm97o

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:02

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 19:48

He did have a problems with declaring things properly, didn't he, not just once but several times

Not a man of detail

Whereas Keir Starmer is famous for his 'forensic attention to detail'. Grin

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:03

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:00

I thought deleting messages was one of the reasons Vaughan Gething was forced to resigned? Labour were in government in Wales:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/08/welsh-first-minister-rejects-covid-inquiry-perjury-claims
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe91p5gm97o

forced to resign

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2024 20:09

"Last time I looked - Badenoch only had 4 hospitality events registered since 2019 - the Guardian reported that Keir Starmer had 40 sets of free tickets registered since he became Labour leader."

How would you know? I thought ministers didn't have to list their attendance/gifts/tickets.

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2024 20:19

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:02

Whereas Keir Starmer is famous for his 'forensic attention to detail'. Grin

Not everyone gets to be found lying to Parliament

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2024 20:22

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 19:41

RafaistheKingofClay
At the risk of mentioning Boris, he’d be screwed. Think of all the free holidays you’d have to declare rather than sticking them on the ministerial register.

Johnson's holidays were investigated after Angela Rayner complained to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards - I don't think it would have made much difference!

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/ethics-watchdog-clears-pm-over-mustique-holiday
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/11/19/boris-johnson-clear-family-holiday-luxury-marbella-villa/

I didn’t say he broke the rules as they were at the time. Quite the opposite. Ministers claiming hospitality or holidays (in Boris’s case) so it doesn’t appear on their personal register of interests was fine.

Under the new rules Boris would be screwed because all those things that went through the ministerial register would be on his and it would probably make Starmer look like a saint.

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:28

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2024 20:09

"Last time I looked - Badenoch only had 4 hospitality events registered since 2019 - the Guardian reported that Keir Starmer had 40 sets of free tickets registered since he became Labour leader."

How would you know? I thought ministers didn't have to list their attendance/gifts/tickets.

She hasn't been Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport - which is presumably why she registered a rugby game she attended and two concerts. I very much doubt she is anywhere near Keir Starmer's tally of freebie tickets.

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2024 20:30

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:28

She hasn't been Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport - which is presumably why she registered a rugby game she attended and two concerts. I very much doubt she is anywhere near Keir Starmer's tally of freebie tickets.

We’ll never know, will we?

VivienneDelacroix · 03/10/2024 20:32

This reminds me of Starmer seen drinking a bottle of beer at the end of a meeting is somehow equal to people lugging suitcases full of booze into Number 10 and having numerous parties during a lockdown.

And the whole "well, we all knew Boris was an adulterous lying twat when we voted for him" is a ridiculous argument.

Clavinova · 03/10/2024 20:35

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2024 20:22

I didn’t say he broke the rules as they were at the time. Quite the opposite. Ministers claiming hospitality or holidays (in Boris’s case) so it doesn’t appear on their personal register of interests was fine.

Under the new rules Boris would be screwed because all those things that went through the ministerial register would be on his and it would probably make Starmer look like a saint.

He is a saint already!

https://www.thetimes.com/article/saint-keir-starmer-a-martyr-to-his-lofty-principles-dtthgxzhb

Is the shine coming off Saint Starmer?

https://www.ft.com/content/1c8bcc7d-671c-4641-b8b0-b5d7d46706a6

https://www.thetimes.com/article/saint-keir-starmer-a-martyr-to-his-lofty-principles-dtthgxzhb